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 Nevelon wrote:

 Wyldhunt wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:

 Quixote wrote:
What happens if you don't use epic heroes in your force? Will you be required to wedge one in?

The epic heros in crusade is in the new book that was just leaked last week. I don’t we have all the information yet as it’s not even on pre-order.

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I don’t mind having rules for them in crusade. i agree that they don’t really fit, but if people want to use them, they are kind of dead space in a roster. The 2 bits we have let them inspire other parts of your list without changing, so that’s OK I guess?

Leaked? I bought my copy of Namchmud Gauntlet a couple of weeks ago in-store. Or are we talking about a different book?

Probably? Are there epic hero rules in yours? Besides the stock “no xp, no advancement, no battle scars” ones?
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/kd8ir91o/daemons-ravage-armageddon-and-only-the-grey-knights-can-throw-them-back/

New crusade book was announced at adepticon. The article gives shouts out to epic character interactions.

Yes. I only skimmed them briefly, but they seemed to be roughly comparable to something like a battle trait for a character; maybe a bit less powerful/more restricted. (I haven't properly read the book yet.)

 Nevelon wrote:
And it might make sense for them to show up in places like the 4th? 5th? Battle of Armageddon. I forget what we are up to there. Big showdowns at key locations.

I don't think the 3rd War ever technically finished, even if Ghaz and Yarrick exited the conflict.

Correcting myself now that I've reviewed the rules for epic heroes in Nachmund crusades.

They're not quite battle traits. They're *mostly* more campaign-level benefits. Basically:

* When you add the character to your roster, the campaign master is supposed to choose from a list of like, 8-ish special rules to give the character. They're supposed to make the selection based on fluff. So a brainy character might get the Strategic or Subtle rule. A medic or mechanic might get the Restorative rule, etc.

* These rules mostly kick in on the campaign level. So with the exception of the front-line rule (grants the character's unit a bonus battle trait) or the inspiring one (lets you ignore their unit's scars), these mostly focus on Crusade mechanics that occur outside of the game itself. For instance, they might let you generate extra XP, avoid bad Out of Action rolls, etc.

* So the end result is that including an epic hero in your list means you've got points invested in a unit that will never level-up, but it can help the rest of your roster level-up faster, stay healthier between games, get the mission role they want, etc.

I kind of like it. Not sure there's any particular reason to tie it to epic characters other than their lack of XP meaning they have a "slot" for another layer of special rules, but it's a neat mechanic.

-Guardsman- wrote:


If we're talking about Supreme Commanders in game terms (as in, having a rule that they must be your warlord), I think such a rule makes sense even if the character in question does not truly have unquestioned control of their faction. Some of them, like Ghaz, are powerful enough that there is zero chance of them submitting to the authority of another. In other terms, Ghaz must be your warlord not because he controls all the Orks in the galaxy, but because wherever he goes, he will always the biggest, baddest Ork in a 100 lightyear radius. If Ghaz is there at all, then he's the boss.

Yeah, this is what I mean by Supreme Commander. It isn't the unquestioned leader that everybody in a faction is loyal to. It is essentially the individual that has the most clout within a faction and has nobody in their organization that is clearly more senior than them. It was also an actual keyword and detachment in 9th Edition. Here are some more:

Adeptas Sororitas: Morvenn Vahl
Officio Assassinorum: Grand Master of Assassins
Adeptus Custodes: Trajann Valoris

Each Primarch is also the Supreme Commander of whatever their Space Marine Chapter is. I guess Kaldor Draigo is technically the Supreme Commander of the Grey Knights, but he is stuck in the warp.

It might be fun. I'm not dismissing this until I see the actual rules.