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Posted By magine 08/13/2006 2:06 PM
Out of a 3200 people if 100 people gripe thats only a small percentage and therefore a "handful," is what I meant. We were able to take back the current survivor thread and get it back to the thread it was meant to be. We were able to out do your posts and out number you guys. If you see the "last thread posted" is dakka discussions is a survivor and don't check for other things that is your problem but I visit other threads because of survivor. So well for some it is a pain for some it is a positive thing.

What I don't see as a "positive contribution" to dakka is a thread like this when every argument that has been presented here has been brought up in the survivor thread already. Isn't that what you gripe is about survivor? Its just the same thing over and over again but that is all this thread is.

"But this thread supports my point of view so its a good thing," right?


That's a bit disingenuous though isn't it? Why are you quoting '3200' as if that's the number of active members? And I don't think you 'beat' anyone, Yakface made a request on another messageboard for the +ers to stop +ing, that's why the options are decreasing. If there is another survivor in discussions I imagine you'll see all the options (starting with the top and working down) dissappear very quickly indeed. A different kind of protest, but there'll still be people whining about that too I suppose.
   
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As long as there is no clear majority I would do nothing. After this survivor I hope we all learned our lesson and behave a bit better than before. The survivor a Charakter Clash in first place and that is it what it should be maybe someone get it managed to do some pre fights and a main event and an overall finall. This would be the spirit of the survivor not "How do you like that Miniature?" or "How do you like the rules." Just good 1on1 action. Okay, okay, I can here you but you just changing numbers for 20+ pages. What was always in the spirit were the comments. There were funny ones in a row.
So I suggest going for a real charakter challenge with all 40k and fantasy charakters in the last survivors some where missing. Beginning with 1on1 or group fights "Best Orc" "Best Marine" for example. This would take long enough to keep it intressting. But if we go on with stupid survivor this game/discussion will surely run dead.

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people need to think about what they are doing a survivor thing for as they put no thought into it anymore/

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Posted By Kid_Kyoto 08/13/2006 3:11 PM

So does anyone like these ideas?


Whatever happend to the polls forum?

Only now do I realize how much I prefer Pete Haines' "misprints" to Gav Thorpe's "brainfarts." :Abadabadoobaddon 
   
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I agree with Kyoto's ideas. 

1) Moving them in no way prevents them from happening, or even makes them more difficult to start or participate in.

2) They are not, technically, discussion.  While fun, they are neither enlightening nor interesting, and tend to reveal groupthink or the passions of a small handful, rather then provide any actual data.  As such, they are far more of a game, or even fiction, then actual discussion.

3) As for harmful vs harmless, the actual debate seems to actually break down to "I find them annoying, and they make visit the forum less," and "I like them, and they're the main reason I visit the forum."  I think even the folks you love Survivor would acknowledge that they're not really useful posts, and thus, moving them would not detract from content, while leaving them might.

all in all, moving survivor seems to have little to no negative impact, aside from hurting the feelings of those who genuinely like them. 
While the positive impact is probobly pretty slight as well, if even a few more productive posts result from the move, I think it would be worthwhile.

My 2 cents, from an infrequent poster who finally has reliable internet access.

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Posted By Kid_Kyoto 08/13/2006 3:11 PM
Posted By Kid_Kyoto 08/12/2006 12:03 AM
How about these 2 steps (with Russ' approval of course)

Rename Chain Stories to Chain Stories and Games maybe even move Fiction in there too... maybe.
Move Discussions to the #2 or #3 slot on the list of forums. As is it's buried at the bottom and now always obvious.


So does anyone like these ideas?


I like 'em (particularly #1), but I think ya's already knew that!    Not sure if Discussions needs to be moved up to one of the upper slots, but I imagine it won't hurt and may help things.


Posted By magine 08/13/2006 2:06 PM
Out of a 3200 people if 100 people gripe thats only a small percentage and therefore a "handful," is what I meant. We were able to take back the current survivor thread and get it back to the thread it was meant to be. We were able to out do your posts and out number you guys. If you see the "last thread posted" is dakka discussions is a survivor and don't check for other things that is your problem but I visit other threads because of survivor. So well for some it is a pain for some it is a positive thing.

What I don't see as a "positive contribution" to dakka is a thread like this when every argument that has been presented here has been brought up in the survivor thread already. Isn't that what you gripe is about survivor? Its just the same thing over and over again but that is all this thread is.

"But this thread supports my point of view so its a good thing," right?


Can you not read or comprehend any of the previous posts? That 3200+ number you keep quoting are hardly all active, contributing members on this board. That '100' is more like it, and even then they are only on a fraction of the time (take a look at the statistics now, 14 members online now while there's 77 lurking "guests"). This all fits since, on any board (not just this one), a vast minority (ie: those 14 members online now) does the vast majority of the posting. And out of that minority (who represent the majority of posters here), a sizeable chunk have stated for quite some time now how tired we are of the unrelenting Survivor threads.

I'd also like to know how 50+ pages of spam is a positive contribution to Dakka, while a two page thread of people actually (and passionately) discussing something that ticks off a big chunk of the regular posters and may well be contributing to a decline in discussion traffic isn't a positive contribuiton? WTF? As far as the commentary in the Survivor thread, where is it? Do you remember what page it is on? How lond will it take you to find any discussion content on it? I know there hasn't been any discussion the last several pages in the current thread, that's for sure. Besides, even if one could keep up with the discussion in that thread, it's like asking if pediophelia is 'ok' at a NAMBLA convention...

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A sizeable chunk of the majority have said they don't like survivor and the rest have said they like it. Its a pretty 50/50 split between active posters yes. However I think it is completely a positive thing when it brings me into the "dakka discussions" area, and would be even more positive if people did not post ++++++ just to "mess" with the others. Also it would not have gone on for 50 pages if some people did not post with the intent of just trying to ruin it for others.

Where is the commentary?? It does not really matter as almost everybody posting here has posted quite frequently in survivor even if just to screw with it so I know although difficult to recover the arguments most of us have read them.

I am sure threads like "are th primarchs based on the village people?" are perfect and help this forum or the pages about the GW ROCK that went on for a bunch of pages of people just having fun.

Thats all threads like these are FUN!!!! If I choose not to participate in the fun of the village people primarchs thats my business and I won't start screaming at those who do.
   
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Huh, I can't imagine why magine likes survivor so much? A relatively new poster at least under the handle "magine" and he's already up to a 680 post count. Change survivor to a game forum where posts to it don't affect your post count and I wonder how popular it will be with him? It's amazing how well this works on other boards. And, just to stay On Topic, I like KK's ideas.



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I am in agreement with Rygoth, I like survivor but I actually DON'T like the fact that it adds so many posts to my count.

Drano doesn't exactly scream "toy" to me.

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I could care less about post counts. I have been here 10 months under my handle and a good chunk have been survivor posts. "You have 500 post counts oh well I have 600" is it a competition?? Change it so it does not add to my post count I really honestly do not care. It is something I do to pass the time at work.

If the survivors went away it would not be the end of the world and i would find other stuff to pass my time at work. I just don't see what everybodys hate for a thread that you have no obligation to participate in is. You don't like it dont participate. I did not like the thread on primarchs as the village people blah blah blah so I left it alone. Do we ban those threads??

It brings me in and I read other stuff while I am here. Therefore i think it is a good thing. If survivors were to go away I would probably kill time at work on ebaums world or something and therefore visit this site less. So I just think a thread that brings me and I am sure others here more frequently cannot be as bad as you all are making it out to be.

I was also a long time lurker before my handle and created my handle originally on the old message board before it went down just never really added a whole lot back then. I have been around for 10 months though and some have more posts than me so if somebody who could edit wants to drop me down to 100 posts go ahead are we that macho that we have to sink to a "my count is bigger than your mentality"?

Move it fine, start a new forum fine, don't add to my post count fine, whatever. I still just cannot comprehend why a certain topic is so hated. Don't like it dont participate. Personally I think threads in swap shop that is just somebody going "hey look at my ebay auction" is a bit more questionable than survivor.

 

I checked my profile for those who really want to know when i arrived here it 10/31/2005 16:38 not relatively new I think seeing the board went down and just came back in October I believe.

   
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Personally I think threads in swap shop that is just somebody going "hey look at my ebay auction" is a bit more questionable than survivor.


Huh? Swap shop is about buying and trading models, right?

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Buying and trading yes but hey anybody can just look at ebay and do a quick search. I view it more as a personal advertisement is all. It was OT and just my opinion. I was just illustrating how some people don't agree with all threads but don't handle it by starting another thread about it.

Like I said OT, just my opinion. I see why some like the ebay posts so I leave it alone. OT back to the survivor.
   
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Uh, but "Swap Shop" is the place for that. You know, to advertise things you're selling and/or want to trade. That is, after all, the Swap Shop's stated purpose. No opinion there. Just as Discussions is for, you know, discussions. Suvivor =/= discussion.

And once again, since you haven't been listening, we are not looking to ban Survivor, just to move it somewhere less conspicuous (and more appropriate), where it will bother less people while still allowing those that enjoy artificially inflating their post count with spam to do so. Win-Win, everyone's happy.

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As I said a few posts ago, move it that would be fine, don't add to post counts thats fine. Just give me something to do at work please. I still don't see what peoples problem is but if you do not take it away I will adapt.

I really hate my job and just need something to do.

Swap shop to me just seems to be a place to trade outside of ebay. In the forum I see you should make a deal and complete a transaction. On ebay it is a bidding process which seems a little different to me. I can post a reply of "hey I'm interested" or PM the person and it would have little effect if any. So why post it on a board when nobody can really reply. Just my .02 I am not trying to turn this into a "are the ebay threads good" discussion. By keeping them up you are hurting me none.
   
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swap shop gives people the chance to advertise there mini's ok so some of them are on ebay but so what?? people go to that part of the forum to look for mini's does it matters where else the mini is advertised??

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I tend to agree with Magine on the eBay thing but I just don't care enough to complain :p

Drano doesn't exactly scream "toy" to me.

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And survivors are just for fun, so what?? It was just an example of how you cannot please everybody all of the time. You go one way on survivors and this group is unhappy you go this way and another group is unhappy. It was more the point of you cannot reallly reply to the post and isn't that the point of a message board?

How but we all just agree that we cannot make everybody happy, we all share the same board and to keep the board as good as it is we just respect that point. Maybe a little change here and there won't hurt but we will never please everybody.

Look at the FAQS. A lot of people griped for FAQS, now we got them and they still gripe (me included). Its another example of there will always be somebody to complain somewhere about something. The above was just a small minute tiny little complaint I had, no big deal.
   
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You know, post count doesn't mean much. A lot of forums I'm on don't even list that number, since it usually just leads to people doing things like "post count++"


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magine nobody is bothered if survivor is moved. so who do you think is unhappy about moving it, some think its a waste of time (survivor, not the moving part) while others think its fun.

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That's what I don't get, who would be bothered if it was moved, regardless of whether anyone thinks it's fun or not? And if you would be bothered, why?

So far, everyone seems to be fine if it was just moved. Those that see it as a disruptive influence on Discussions will have it elsewhere, while those that think it's fun will still be able to play (albiet in another subforum).

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It time for the move. The public have spoken. Lets see if the mods do something.

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It time for the move. The public have spoken. Lets see if the mods do something.


It is done. Lamps have been rubbed, grots have been fed, forums have been modified, and threads have been moved.

 
   
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Yay! Cheers erupt from the masses!

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does that meen we dont need to have this discusion anymore??

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