Bobthehero wrote:
You forgot Celestine, and that bumps the IG guardsmen out of the top 5.

 AnomanderRake wrote:

 pumaman1 wrote:
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2018/01/itc-2017-40k-year-in-review-statfest.html

IG can win often, but if we compare podium results, its not the OP expendable who places most, its SM and CSM (+demons) who are taking it most

Does that include "Space Marine" lists that are Guard armies with Guilliman as an auxiliary?

 Nubgan wrote:
To be fair most stuff is only overpowered in cheeseball combos. Its actually hard with that list to find something that by itself is pure filth.

 Nubgan wrote:
To be fair most stuff is only overpowered in cheeseball combos. Its actually hard with that list to find something that by itself is pure filth.

 skchsan wrote:

 Nubgan wrote:
To be fair most stuff is only overpowered in cheeseball combos. Its actually hard with that list to find something that by itself is pure filth.

Well the post is about "top strongest units of 8th edition." It's sort of a auto-include in any list kind of discussion - you would currently never see an AM list without good board coverage using infantry squads nor a ynnari w/o reapers.

 ChazSexington wrote:

 skchsan wrote:

 Nubgan wrote:
To be fair most stuff is only overpowered in cheeseball combos. Its actually hard with that list to find something that by itself is pure filth.

Well the post is about "top strongest units of 8th edition." It's sort of a auto-include in any list kind of discussion - you would currently never see an AM list without good board coverage using infantry squads nor a ynnari w/o reapers.

Actually, Sean Nayden won the Hammer and the New Year GT without Dark Reapers at all.

Breng77 wrote:
The biggest problem is range, since deepstrike is a big thing not being able to hit from deepstrike is an issue. It makes them mostly a defensive weapon.

 Galas wrote:
I don't think the blood Angel DC Captain Smash-Fer is that big of a deal. Yeah, hes hard hitting. But is still just a Space Marine Captain that has CP, Stratagems and Relics build into him. Maybe in points hes cheap, but not in Army Resources.

I normally use a Company Master in Terminator Armour with my army, equiped with TH/SS, and I have used the stratagem "The Wolf and the Lion" on him many times. And believe me, hes a beast. But at the end of the day is just one character. I could use a Company Master with Jump Pack and have my own DA version of the Captain Smash-Fer. He'll have less attacks but he will hit on 2+ instead of 3+ with his thunder hammer.
And for reliable charges I can use Hunt of the Fallen for 1 CP in a enemy Character. Maybe less flexible than the 3d6 charge of BA, but still, very reliable.

Martel732 wrote:
As long as every single top Imperium list spams guardsmen, I will call for a nerf on them. As long as IG artillery tanks punch above their point cost, I'm going to call for a nerf on them. IG are frustrating and outrageous to play against. They are neo-Eldar of 8th ed. Sorry if that bothers you but it's empirically true, I think. [quoted



kinda old quote by now but uhm if imperium can take inf squads what should they take then as troops. i dunno gues they spam it cause there are no other decent options in the codex.

should they take scions and use them as troops?? pretty expensive for objective holders whit just a 4+ save and t3 for a lausy 10p a model they are way overcosted if you use them for anything else than deepstrike suicide.

should they take consripts mmm gues they have been nerfed so bad. They are now just a page filler in the book.

gues they have nog other troops to choose from

should they take uhm elites then yeah lets watch those.

special weapon squads- ld 6 needs 3 special w if you pcik the good ones the units will not survive 1 round snipers? unit is not gonna move alot then i gues not good as obj holder

veteran squad- 50% more exp fore +1bs and some more weapons options so to summ it up it is at least 50% more exp and is more of a threat and has the same t and save yeah
command squads- unit is not gonna survive even one round out of a transport
scion command- unit is not gonna survive even one round out of a transport
ogryn- melee unit and exp
bullgryn- melee unit and exp
ratling -wonderfull T2 save 6 and ld 5 perfect obj holder ofc

oh dont forget they are elite we might need some other units from there like psykers and and its crowed i gues our elite slot is pretty crowded need some more


and ofc heavy weapon squads we can use them as troops lol

so what unit can a guard player use then tell me and remember that we actualy have just ONE troop choice now wich we can use ( tempest are only good for deepstrike).

"As long as every single top Imperium list spams guardsmen, I will call for a nerf on them."[i]

Kinda weird to say that as they actualy effectively have JUST ONE TROOP CHOICE.
I will help you a bit because this line just make you look as a troll a hater someone who only likes to have taking the fun from other people enyoing their hobby.

it should be

"As long as every single top imperium list spams troop choices, I will call for a nerf on them"

if you think about it you can even say

"As long as every single top imperium list spams infantry, I will call for a nerf on them"

or beter

"As long as every single imperium list uses their single useful infantry unit in their troop choice, I will call for a nerf on them"

kinda absurd not but yeah that it is basicly what he has been saying for a long time.
in a codex wich has 3 troop choices 1 is totaly crap 1 is only good as a deep strike unit. using the other one is called spamming.

i gues he just wants the guard removed from the game cause we do not have any other infantry unit in that slot wich can use that role.

wel if anyone else can please tell



ps top 5 strongest units and you can pick gaurdsman hahahahaha you should say top 5 best units or strongest p point but uhm hahaha and people even pick it


ps cant use quotes good i gues

 Blackie wrote:
The presence of AM troops in SM, SoB and Mech armies is something that I can't stand either.

Banning the soups in matched games could solve many problems IMHO. It seems like pure AM lists are not the bullys they used to be at the beginning of 8th editions, now the most competitive imperium lists are all soups and BA armies, which are too new to say if they're overpowered or not.

Ban the soups, tone down a few things about the eldar and AM codexes and we'll have a better game.

Breng77 wrote:
Banning soup would hurt eldar as well as you would not get soul burst and craft world stratagems. That said it likely isn't going anywhere.

bananathug wrote:


This also shows why I think those who rail against Gman just don't play in competitive metas. If he were the beast that the results of this poll would have you believe I find it hard to jive that with SM being such a lower middle class performer. Either that or those people think SM need an across the codex buff and Gulliman can get fethed (I'm 100% behind this if this is what's going on).

 Blackie wrote:

Breng77 wrote:
Banning soup would hurt eldar as well as you would not get soul burst and craft world stratagems. That said it likely isn't going anywhere.

I don't think so. Ynnari are a special example because they're actualy just 3 characters. I'd keep the ynnari faction but with a restriction: other than their special characters you must choose only one faction among drukhari, eldar or harlequins. This way they wouldn't be a soup anymore and I don't even think they'd be nerfed since the ynnari lists are basically pure eldar, eventually with a few kabalites or harlequins in the lot.

The most competitive space elves lists are already made of pure eldar.

The elves soup only favors drukhari and harlequins, which don't have a codex yet, so they may not even need allies once they get all the tools other armies have.