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stratigo wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
Daemons psychic is unreliable - they have exactly as many psychic buffs as Imperial Guard do. No smite changes, only one power chart to select from (per detachment at least), etc.

Daemons have mobility, but so do Tau, so I dun get it.

Demons have fantastic psychic if you lean into it.

But you play a slaanesh army, so you're lacking the triple changers that make the psychic shenanigans work.

Aaah so Khorne armies still suck, because GW made sure they cant lean for gak... Yeah i figured 9th was another gunline edition.

 Brutallica wrote:

stratigo wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
Daemons psychic is unreliable - they have exactly as many psychic buffs as Imperial Guard do. No smite changes, only one power chart to select from (per detachment at least), etc.

Daemons have mobility, but so do Tau, so I dun get it.

Demons have fantastic psychic if you lean into it.

But you play a slaanesh army, so you're lacking the triple changers that make the psychic shenanigans work.

Aaah so Khorne armies still suck, because GW made sure they cant lean for gak... Yeah i figured 9th was another gunline edition.

And it will always be, because you can't anger customers who have built gunlines for the last 10-15 years and want them to succeed each editions. Hence all the punishment for playing melee, which is here to stay.

 Brutallica wrote:

stratigo wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
Daemons psychic is unreliable - they have exactly as many psychic buffs as Imperial Guard do. No smite changes, only one power chart to select from (per detachment at least), etc.

Daemons have mobility, but so do Tau, so I dun get it.

Demons have fantastic psychic if you lean into it.

But you play a slaanesh army, so you're lacking the triple changers that make the psychic shenanigans work.

Aaah so Khorne armies still suck, because GW made sure they cant lean for gak... Yeah i figured 9th was another gunline edition.

Honestly, I don't get this perspective.

Gunlines are TERRIBLE in 9th edition. All the new terrain rules mean they'll very rarely have a good shot that isn't at something either in cover, or receiving -1 to hit from intervening terrain. Overwatch is effectively gone - I have played 5 games at this point and Overwatch the 1CP stratagem has been used multple times to absolutely 0 effect. And every single mission absolutely demolishes you for sitting in your own DZ doing nothing but shooting, you basically auto-lose even if you table your opponent by turn 3-4.

Honestly, I don't get this perspective.

Gunlines are TERRIBLE in 9th edition. All the new terrain rules mean they'll very rarely have a good shot that isn't at something either in cover, or receiving -1 to hit from intervening terrain. Overwatch is effectively gone - I have played 5 games at this point and Overwatch the 1CP stratagem has been used multple times to absolutely 0 effect. And every single mission absolutely demolishes you for sitting in your own DZ doing nothing but shooting, you basically auto-lose even if you table your opponent by turn 3-4.

Agreed. I feel like they really got "movement" as close to "right" as it's been in a while. I said this before, but this edition plays like 40k meets "Taladega Nights". It's all about that speed ...

the_scotsman wrote:

 Brutallica wrote:

stratigo wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
Daemons psychic is unreliable - they have exactly as many psychic buffs as Imperial Guard do. No smite changes, only one power chart to select from (per detachment at least), etc.

Daemons have mobility, but so do Tau, so I dun get it.

Demons have fantastic psychic if you lean into it.

But you play a slaanesh army, so you're lacking the triple changers that make the psychic shenanigans work.

Aaah so Khorne armies still suck, because GW made sure they cant lean for gak... Yeah i figured 9th was another gunline edition.

Honestly, I don't get this perspective.

Gunlines are TERRIBLE in 9th edition. All the new terrain rules mean they'll very rarely have a good shot that isn't at something either in cover, or receiving -1 to hit from intervening terrain. Overwatch is effectively gone - I have played 5 games at this point and Overwatch the 1CP stratagem has been used multple times to absolutely 0 effect. And every single mission absolutely demolishes you for sitting in your own DZ doing nothing but shooting, you basically auto-lose even if you table your opponent by turn 3-4.

Agreed, 9th is a much better edition for CC-focused armies (aggressive armies in general) than 8th was.

Anyone saying something else either hasn't bothered to learn the new rules yet, or are just pissy about the new edition in general.

 MinscS2 wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:

 Brutallica wrote:

stratigo wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
Daemons psychic is unreliable - they have exactly as many psychic buffs as Imperial Guard do. No smite changes, only one power chart to select from (per detachment at least), etc.

Daemons have mobility, but so do Tau, so I dun get it.

Demons have fantastic psychic if you lean into it.

But you play a slaanesh army, so you're lacking the triple changers that make the psychic shenanigans work.

Aaah so Khorne armies still suck, because GW made sure they cant lean for gak... Yeah i figured 9th was another gunline edition.

Honestly, I don't get this perspective.

Gunlines are TERRIBLE in 9th edition. All the new terrain rules mean they'll very rarely have a good shot that isn't at something either in cover, or receiving -1 to hit from intervening terrain. Overwatch is effectively gone - I have played 5 games at this point and Overwatch the 1CP stratagem has been used multple times to absolutely 0 effect. And every single mission absolutely demolishes you for sitting in your own DZ doing nothing but shooting, you basically auto-lose even if you table your opponent by turn 3-4.

Agreed, 9th is a much better edition for CC-focused armies (aggressive armies in general) than 8th was.

Anyone saying something else either hasn't bothered to learn the new rules yet, or are just pissy about the new edition in general.

Yeah, it's all about the eternal war missions. In basically any game I've seen where someone was playing basically pure shooty vs all melee or mixed with melee, even if the shooty army basically wins the killing fight by turn 3, the fact that the first three turns the aggressive army has been holding the whole battlefield they build up a ridiculous 40-ish point lead that the shooty army can't surmount.

9th favors reasonably shooty, durable ob-sec with counter-charge. In other words, marine-style armies.

If the shooty armies can shoot the aggressive armies off the objectives before they can score, they will dominate. If they can't, then they won't. Some are saying terrain stops this from happening, but model count is down.


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yukishiro1 wrote:
9th favors reasonably shooty, durable ob-sec with counter-charge. In other words, marine-style armies.

This seems likely from everything I've read so far.