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Here's the chimera rush list I came up with:

CCS
4 Melta
Power fist
Chimera w/ two Heavy Flamers

PCS
4 Melta
Power weapon
Plasma Pistol
Chimera (same weapons, so is every other chimera in my list)

Infantry Squad
Melta
Chimera

Infantry Squad
Melta
Chimera

Vet Squad
3 Melta
Chimera

Vet Squad
3 Melta
Chimera

Vet Squad
3 Melta
Chimera

PCS
4 Melta
Power fist
Chimera

Infantry Squad
Plasma
Chimera

Infantry Squad
Plasma
Chimera

Infantry Squad
Plasma
Chimera

Look at all those meltas! In 1500pt, this list, from my perspective, is perfect.
Wht do you think?

Wings of Purity wrote:

Chimera w/ two Heavy Flamers

Chimera (same weapons, so is every other chimera in my list)
...............
What do you think?

So every single Chimera is a miniature Hellhound? Well, the "Wall of Fire" effect can certainly be cinematic but is ultimately a one-trick pony. Do not underestimate the power of the humble Multilaser. Use a mix of Chimera variants so you have something that can engage enemies at range.

Seconded. Multilasers are great. At least do Multilaser turrets and flamer hulls. 11 Chimera with multilasers put out 33 S6 shots a turn. O.o

What happens when half to three quarters of those Chimera's get Imobalized/Destroyed with ranged weapons? You have no backup options.

On a different note, Powerfists on guardsmen suck. Str 6, Int 1? Yeah.

Yeah...

I'll second that. In fact, with all the meltas and small squads, just drop the CC weapons. You'll likely never get a chance to do anything remotely significant with them.

Instead, see if you can't sneak in some LONG ranged anti-tank. A russ, maybe. Vendetta. Heck, just a heavy weapons team you can plop on an objective.

Thanks guys

Chimeras will NEVER get to fire two Heavy Flamers unless your opponent is a complete moron.

Blood angels, and orcs, pop transports at range or in CC and then eat your entire army, specially any MEQ with some range, you have no long range firepower, Baals, or assualt cannon Razorbacks, will shred you before you get close enough to hurt anything, and your flamers useless.

Okay assuming that you are wanting to spam Chimeras and be competitive....here goes

HQ
2x CCS w/ 3 Plasmagun +Vox, Meltabombs in Chimera w/ML, Hvy Flamer, Heavy Stubber

Troops
3x Infantry Platoon

PCS w/ Vox + 3 Meltaguns: Chimera w/ ML, Hvy Flamer, Heavy Stubber
Infantry w/ Vox + Meltagun; Chimera w/ same as above
Infantry w/ same as above

Heavy
3x LR Demo w/ Hvy Flamer

1995 points

So that 11 Chimeras with 3x S10 at 24", 15x S8 at 12", 6/12x S7 at 24/12" , 33x S6 at 36", and 33x S4 at 36" shots a turn if you move 6". Vox Caster are there in case transport gets popped. I think I just made my next army lol.

Good list, love it

Played against that list orks ate it alive, but i saw it smash apart a wolf list that was mostly terminators and missile launchers and it was 2500pts so there were some LRBT in there also

I like the list. My only gripes are the unsupported powerfist and powersword. That and the plasma pistol.

And keep the 2x heavy flamers. Multilasers are ineffective against everything they shoot at. Heavy flamers are ineffective against most of what they shoot at, but are really, really effective against certain target types (like infantry).

Yeah, you're not likely to shoot 2x heavy flamers often, but you're only slightly less likely than you are to shoot any other two weapons at the same time (unless you're being an idiot and sitting back and plinking with multilasers, rather than charging into unload your cargo). Plus, redundancy is always a good thing.

Ailaros wrote:Multilasers are ineffective against everything they shoot at.

...... Well, you are certainly entitled to your opinion.

Ailaros wrote:Multilasers are ineffective against everything they shoot at.

Given there are cover saves everywhere now days , i really dont think multilaser are that bad at all.

Dang, Ailaros, I really want to see you post a Batrep sometime. You stand against everything other Guard players take for granted... but I've never seen an example of your tactics being used! Please enlighten us

I would take Multi laser over heavy bolter every single chance i get.

The possibility of dealing with AV 12 is very important.

Ailaros wrote:
And keep the 2x heavy flamers. Multilasers are ineffective against everything they shoot at. Heavy flamers are ineffective against most of what they shoot at, but are really, really effective against certain target types (like infantry).

Dear god, not this again. The man hates cheap S6 firepower so much he'd rather take a HF that will never get to fire.

Ailaros wrote:And keep the 2x heavy flamers. Multilasers are ineffective against everything they shoot at. Heavy flamers are ineffective against most of what they shoot at, but are really, really effective against certain target types (like infantry).

Two to three turns of missed shooting to get in range for one extra Heavy Flamer template? Plus if you want to fire both you're a sitting duck to auto-hitting assaults? Please tell me you aren't being serious with this advice. If you are, I feel sorry for you, this being the logic you end up with after playing your locals.

LunaHound wrote:Given there are cover saves everywhere now days , i really dont think multilaser are that bad at all.

if cover is the problem, why not take a weapon that ignores cover?

LunaHound wrote:The possibility of dealing with AV 12 is very important.

Dealing EFFECTIVELY with AV12?

I-bounty-hunt-the-elderly wrote:Dear god, not this again. The man hates cheap S6 firepower so much he'd rather take a HF that will never get to fire.

The math is the math. I invite you to say why you choose to like a weapon that does very little damage.

Gavrock wrote:Two to three turns of missed shooting to get in range for one extra Heavy Flamer template?

two to three turns of ineffective firepower just to miss the chance to shoot an effective weapon when the time is right?

Gavrock wrote:Please tell me you aren't being serious with this advice. If you are, I feel sorry for you, this being the logic you end up with after playing your locals.

I am being serious about this advice. I feel sorry for you, being so fast to disregard other people's opinions, even when they're based on sounder reason than yours.

I would really not mind playing against this list. Sure, its scary with all those chimeras coming at me... but odds are good i'd be able to stop them from getting that close to me. just damage a few chimeras in the front of the formation and the whole thing stalls. i'd probably be unable to stop ALL of them from reaching my tanks, but the 2-3 that get through can be handled by my infantry, while the rest are footslogging their way towards me.

Hahaha.

That is all.









More to the point, I fear multi-lasers, I would have wiped the floor against an IG opponent, though his multi-lasers kept destroying my vypers and walkers.

Great! Two heavy flamers you will never fire...

Multi-lasers help get rid of any light tank, rhinos, chimeras, raiders, and vypers...

Your reasons are not sound, 3 S6 shots are not ineffective, very effetive actually, what math are you rambling on about?

Please, please, enlighten us instead of... "my logic is sound, yours isn't, my weapon is better..."

Seriously, what kind of morons do you play if you get to use both heavy flamers? In what world will 33 str6 shots/turn not be useful?

Ailaros vs CS Goto= best battle Evvvva!!!

33 str 6 shots are coolio. Just use a mix. DarOrks1997's list was pretty coolio, give it a try and see how it works out

Gavrock wrote:

Gavrock wrote:Two to three turns of missed shooting to get in range for one extra Heavy Flamer template?

two to three turns of ineffective firepower just to miss the chance to shoot an effective weapon when the time is right?

Gavrock wrote:Please tell me you aren't being serious with this advice. If you are, I feel sorry for you, this being the logic you end up with after playing your locals.

I am being serious about this advice. I feel sorry for you, being so fast to disregard other people's opinions, even when they're based on sounder reason than yours.

And with that, I accept you're a troll and move on. That or you really are deluded. Effective weapon when the time is right, my goodness.

If you think that 3 S6 shots are ineffective, you need a reality check. Sure, you don't get a guarantee of taking out the AV10-12, but you will NEVER fire 2 heavy flamers in the same turn. Small chance of doing something for 3 turns then using heavy flamer >>>> no chance of doing anything then using heavy flamer. You don't even need a math or stats degree to figure that out.