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Hey all, trying to round out my 1850 list. I run a commisar, 2 melta vets in vendettas, 2 plasma vet squads in chimeras, 2 russ executioners, with pask, and 2 russ demolishers. I have around 170 points left to burn on assorted equipment. I was hoping that I could get some feedback. I was thinking a bare bones Vanquisher in the Demolisher squadren, i use this as an anti armour squad primarly and targets of oppertunity second, a vanquisher adds long range anti armour exposing troops to the templates I already carry. The other alternitives are a deepstriking group of stormtroopers to assualt objectives, or 2 Armoured Sentinals with plasma cannons.

do you have at least 40 infantrymen (the scoring kind) already? If you don't, then you NEED more infantrymen. If you do, then you are probably going to want more.

Already have 40 vets so i should be good with 40 vets in metal boxes i think....famous last words lol

DONT. GET. STORMTROOPERS.
they are really really bad, sure if you want to use them to contest an objective by deepstriking thats ok, but they average 2 kills on a meq squad in a round of shooting, for me anyway, and their major overpriced. their just terrible

thats my rant, but you probably dont need metal boxes the way your going, so id go with the vanquisher

I've had good luck with a Manticore vs. troop heavy and some vehicals S10 ap4 Large blast D3. You can hide it far away and drop a missle just about anywhere outside 24". Plus there is a nice new model. I made mine own awhile ago though.

You've honestly got too much packed into heavy support already, definitely don't get another LR, tank squadrons are a big disadvantage.

Get a CCS instead of a commissar lord, and consider an 25 or 35 man infantry platoon to hold objectives. Veterans actually aren't too great for that.

Following IBHTE here is an example of a 1750 list I run that has done very well for me its got a good mix of objective holding and first turn striking power.

HQ
CCS
4 plasma, chimera

PBS (Full)

Troops
2x Veterans
3x meltas, chimeras
Veterans
3x meltas

PCS
Commisar, 2x pw, 4x flamers
1st squad
flamer, pw
2nd squad
flamer, pw

Fast Attack
Vendetta

Heavy Support
2x Demolishers
2x Manticores

I actually kinda like the stormtroopers. Sure they're over-priced but they can be a great throw away unit. Yes, I would not use them for assaulting objectives though. I used them to deep strike and melta tanks or give them plasma and deep strike them next to some MEQs. Those plasmas will increase their killing efficiency. They're special ops guys so use them as special ops guys, not objective grabbers.

But for what they cost I can be alot more effective with lets say a melta squad with a valkyrie. There is no risk if you scout it first turn melta the tank and then take your valkyrie and take care of whatever falls out. With the plasmas in the stormtrooper squad your putting alot of points into a unit that will not survive after your opponents turn.

Stormtroopers aren't that bad. I used to think so, but they have many nasty uses. My favorite choice is to outflank them in a chimera for added protection. I've gotten the drop on several lists hitting their vehicles from the flank with a couple meltas this way. Best of all, if the enemy deploys first, you can change your plan and deep strike the ST if he digs in at the center of the board. Granted, you could do the exact same with vendettas and meltavets, but I like my vendettas on the table round one firing away with their lascannons as a primary, and then dumping their passengers only as a secondary.

@Wings of Cadia - Only The Melta's are going in vendettas, my plasma squads are to sit in chimeras on my own objectives and hold it, plasma is better ranged and a step up double tap has taken out many a termie for me with the plasmaguns, fully agreed that they would be much less effective in a aggressivly used vendetta/valk though.

doubled wrote: my plasma squads are to sit in chimeras on my own objectives and hold it

Fail.

Chimeras are good because they give a squad more mobility. What's the point of spending the points to give them mobility if they're just going to sit there? If the point is to hold your own objectives, there are definitely better ways to do this than mechanized vet squads.

I'd second the notion of an infantry platoon, armed with whatever you feel you're lacking in. You've already got the mobile melta and plasma taken care of, otherwise I'd be for the stormies. Of the options you listed, I'd take the PC sents.

I am using a fully meched guard force, thus everything is in a transport. I have used this list with one platoon before, epic epic failure every time, the rest of the list is not made to support stationary platoons. Throw in bizare objectives such as get accross the board to the enemies side, search through the boards terrian pieces for a flag and get it off the board ect, and the stationary gunline is useless. This entire tourny is based on custom sceneraios, and this is the most flexable way i can see to do everything.


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so totally out of left field dropped pask and some upgrades and put in 2 devil dogs.


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my question has become can a kill mephiston before he wrecks me without losing to the rest of the army, i have been told to expect a lot of BA with characters, even though you get dinged heavy in army comp here with them.

Mephiston is killed in the same way as MCs are. Unfortunately, mechanized lists tend to have problems with MCs.

The best mechanized thing you can do is to just take more plasma guns and hope for the best. Said guns would have more points able to be spent on them if you thinned your HS a bit.

Remember that vehicles are bad against MCs, because blast weapons are bad against MCs. There unfortunately isn't a lot you can do to change this fact.

I dunno, if you load up on chimeras with multi-lasers, vets w/autocannons, sentinels with multi-lasers, and Vendettas you can take down a lot of MCs. Heck, I've taken down Trygon primes with only chimeras before. Granted, many bullets were sweat, but I brought that sucker to its knees. Str 6, heavy 3 can be a god-send sometimes despite the BS3.

Yeah, but those weapons need to be lucky in order to do the job. Against T6 W6 3+ baddies, a single multilaser puts on about .24 wounds a turn. In order to take down a tervagon before your troops disembark (lets say you do that on turn 3), you need 8 multilasers shooting at the same target at the same time for all three turns.

Not particularly effective, if you ask me. Sure they can ding on wounds here and there, but they're not serious anti-MC weapons. The same is true for autocannons.

Your best bet, as far as I can tell with the intention of the OP is to take more plasma and more vendettas. Guard have sort of a tough time with MCs in general, and some of our better weapons are awkward to fit into mechanized lists (priests, rough riders, ratlings, etc.), which can make taking down MCs tough. Plus, taking multilasers means you can't take flamers, which means that your infantry needs to be pulling anti-tank and anti-MC duty simultaneously, which is never a good thing.

SO first 2 games done, tabled a sub par deamon list, and then a close win over a Space wolf list, full thunderwolf cav with Canis and a Lord, and Long Fang spam.