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RULES:
1. No unique characters
2. Total armor value of vehicle (front; side; side; rear) can be equal to or under 48pts... EX: 14F; 12S; 12S; 10R
3. One Troop Choice and One HQ Choice must be selected.
4. 500pts Maximum (501 not acceptable)


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Space Wolves:

Rune Priest (Basic Gear; Living Lightning and Fury of the Wolf Spirits) 100pts
Grey Hunter Pack [9] (Basic Gear; 1 Meltagun) 140pts
Rhino (Basic Mods; Extra Armor) 50pts

Dreadnaught (Basic Mods; Ass Cannon; Extra Armor) 120pts

Wolf Scout Pack [5] (4 BP; 1 Meltagun; 1 Meltabombs) 90pts
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Basic Strategy, go for the enemy nearest my own and go for the throat. Acquire as many Killpoints as possible. Use my scouts to take out the guy who attempts to sit back and shoot at everyone else (not very nice)... Dreadnaught will either get all the attention or have fun slicing and dicing anything within 24"...

Your opponents are a variety of people and every 10 Killpoints you acquire; you are allowed to add 10pts to your list next match...
What would your army list be?!

GO!

Most low point games I have played have had much more restriction on the total vehicle armor you could take, usually about the highest they allow for is something like a chimara.

Catyrpelius wrote:Most low point games I have played have had much more restriction on the total vehicle armor you could take, usually about the highest they allow for is something like a chimara.

I just recently finished a friendly tourney at our local store on Friday Nights...
We all sat down and decided the above rules were pretty fair... It keeps out all the Land Raiders and even though we didn't have an IG player that would play a LR Tank or any BA players that would run a Stormraven in 500pts there are plenty of ways to eliminate those people...

Not to mention when only one person has something like that, there tend to be minor alliances to get rid of the biggest threat hehe; so we encouraged our friends to test the boundaries of the 48 total armor value and let them find out what'll happen.

What kind of extra restrictions were / are you accustomed to? and did you still enjoy the match?

Ok, I googled it, what your doing is pretty much 40k in 40 minutes, its the way I always play smaller point games, it tends to balance things out alot. The basic rules are as follows:

• Patrols are no more than 400 points.
• You must have one Troop choice.
• You may have one HQ choice, but no more than one.
• You may spend remaining points on anything in the Codex.
• No character can have more than 2 Wounds.
• No special characters.
• No 2+ saves.
• No vehicles with a total Armour value greater than 33.

I dont know how to post pdf's on dakka so if you want pm me your email address and I will email you the pdf

Catyrpelius wrote:
• No character can have more than 2 Wounds.
• No special characters.

If you can't have named characters, how can you have characters with more than two wounds? Unless it's using the term "characters" for models, so no Tyranid Warriors or Eldar Farseers either?

Its a 4th edition rule set so some terms have changed.

No character can have more then 2 wounds should really be, no model can have more then 2 wounds.

Don't have my 'dex on me, but if memory serves...

HQ- Big Mek w/ KFF, Klaw= 110
Troop- Slugga Boyz x10 w/ Nob Upgrade, Klaw, Bosspole= 100
Elite- 12x Loota's= 180
Heavy- Battlewagon w/ 4x Big Shoota's= 110

BW Bunker firing an average of 24 S7 shots and 12 S5 shots per turn. Boyz hide and charge anything that gets close.

Im not too worried about a model with more than 2 wounds. I have a friend who I play against frequently and he plays Chaos Daemons w/ a Blood Thirster as his HQ with 10-15 Blood Letters to get him to 500, and granted the Blood Thurster can be problemattic sometimes but he tends to get shot a lot from everyone.

Like I said if there is one person who is more or less taking control of the match all the other players tend to work together to keep things even, it has also started a few rivalries which again is always fun!

• Patrols are no more than 400 points.
• You must have one Troop choice.
• You may have one HQ choice, but no more than one.
• You may spend remaining points on anything in the Codex.
• No special characters.
• No character can have more than 2 Wounds.
• No 2+ saves.
• No vehicles with a total Armour value greater than 33.

Those last three are extremely restrictive, I mean it keeps it to infantry vs. infantry I guess but adding some flavor is fun too like:
• Patrols are no more than 400 points.
• You must have one Troop choice.
• You may have one HQ choice, but no more than one.
• You may spend remaining points on anything in the Codex.
• No special characters.
• No model can have more than 3 wounds.
• No vehicle with a total Armour value greater than 48 (ex: 14F, 12S, 12S, 10R)
• "if ongoing" every 10 killpoints earned grants you an addition 10pts to spend next battle.

To clarify, the "no greater than 33" is only adding F+S+R. Not F+S+S+R. That lets things like predators be played.

Belial84 wrote:To clarify, the "no greater than 33" is only adding F+S+R. Not F+S+S+R. That lets things like predators be played.

Yeah, thats why I clarified with an example after my total... the street fights I have attended have used F+S+S+R so its just a habit if its out of the norm.


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Aztralwolf wrote:Don't have my 'dex on me, but if memory serves...

HQ- Big Mek w/ KFF, Klaw= 110
Troop- Slugga Boyz x10 w/ Nob Upgrade, Klaw, Bosspole= 100
Elite- 12x Loota's= 180
Heavy- Battlewagon w/ 4x Big Shoota's= 110

BW Bunker firing an average of 24 S7 shots and 12 S5 shots per turn. Boyz hide and charge anything that gets close.

I will tell you one thing I have been duped by your KFF more than once, Orks are fun to play against though, and seem very intimidating in smaller point battles because it appears that you field so much... mass of numbers can be a good scare tactic.

If working with a 500 point limit I would go with something like:

HQ
Company command Squad
Power fist
carapace armor
Vox
Regimental Standard
2x Plasma guns
= 135pts

Troop
Platoon Command Squad
Power Sword
3x flamers
vox
= 60pts

2x Combined Infantry squads
2x Grenade launchers
1x Melta Bombs
vox
3x Power swords
Commisar
= 185pts

Troop
Veterans
3x plasma guns
vox
= 120pts

Total: 500 points!

I have played 500 point games where the only requirements was to fufill the minumum force organisation requirement for a standard game, with no named charicters allowed. This meant a minumum of 2 troops and one HQ choice.

Normally I have run 2 veteran squads, one with 3 plasmas and carapace armor ( 145 pts ) and one with demolitions and 3 grenade launchers ( 115 pts ), both in Chimeras equiped with hull mounted heavy flamer, hunter killer missile and heavy stubber. (150 pts). The HQ would be a Lord Commisar with power sword and carapace armor (90 pts) , attached to the first vet squad for a total of 500 pts.

Is it just me or do some people dislike Guard and Marine players because they percieve us as being over reliant on vehicles? It seems that one of the aims of this scenario is to limit or cut out the vehicles from the game. But in fact it does the opposite.

Actually, in the case of IG, limiting the points value to such a low level almost guarantees that I will have to rely on vehicles. Since guardsmen die with such ease, 500 points worth of them will not generally keep an IG player alive past round 3. I have played 500 point games in which a 20 man infantry squad died in a single shooting phase with a single opponent. This scenario denies the IG one of its chief strengths, the fact that guardsmen are supposed to be expendible because they are employed in mass numbers. The purpose of a guardsman is to die for the Imperium. The Imperium marches to victory over a carpet made from the corpses of guardsmen.

If anything, I would balk at being forced to use vehicles in this scenario, just as much as people like the OP would balk at me using them.

If someone wants to run a battle with nothing but troop miniatures, I will be glad to oblige them and they dont have to limit it to a 500 point game. Please. We can do a a 2500 pointer with nothing but troops if you like..I know that I would like it.... I can always field 6 fully maxed out infantry platoons, over 500 figures in all, and completely cover my half of the table.... so you have no where to deep strike or outflank without touching a model or being within one inch...and it almost does not matter how many of them you kill unless its a kill point game, because I usually have to put some in reserve, since there usually isnt enough room in my deployment zone for 500+ models. I will keep pouring expendible human waves at you untill you are broken. Its worked for me a bunch of times. People come to the table thinking they are going to fight a bunch of vehicles, and gear up to kill tanks, and then I throw out that red herring on them. Makes them hate me. Makes them wish I would field a tank to brighten their day so that half their army list wasnt a waste of points. Then, next time they show up ready to kill infantry and I then field a whole company of Leman Russes. (though I find that boring) I can paper, rock, scissors with the best of them.

Rogue164 wrote:Is it just me or do some people dislike Guard and Marine players because they percieve us as being over reliant on vehicles? It seems that one of the aims of this scenario is to limit or cut out the vehicles from the game. But in fact it does the opposite.

I encourage people to bring their vehicles. Eldar have the same situation you do, do you think a squad of Eldar last very long with an armour save equal to IG. In this case my Eldar buddy grabs a nasty Fire Prism from time to time which at 500pts can be not so fun to try and get rid of with those blasted halo-fields. Not to mention when someone brings some heavy firepower like tanks and such those players tend to run very thin on alliances and get multiple weapons pointed their way.

Personally I like to put expensive squad(s) in rhino(s) to kind of hide my prized gems (lay low) while Tank players get blasted to hell and back hehe

I almost exclusively play low-points games (mostly because I'm too lazy to paint enough models to play proper sized games) but I love how intense it gets, every casualty counts especially with MEQ armies.


The list I used to run with my 'Nids was something along the lines of;

Broodlord and genestealer bodyguard

Role: To infiltrate and kill the face off any dickish backfielders


Bucketloads of Termagants

Role: Meatshield


Carnifex with Enhanced Senses, Spine Banks and 2 x TL Devourers

Role: Winning the game for me



of course, this army doesn't quite work with the new Tyranid codex...

shame

To answer your poll question: I have played in a 4-way battle. I did not like it, as it was a tourney and the other three players were family members who were teaming up to take all the prize support and distribute it amongst themselves. However, I beat them all. (Since it was a custom mission type, and I won because I chose to play the mission objectives rather than try and fight off their three pronged attack. Although I was annihilated down to a single Land Speeder left, I won on victory points.) There was no poll option for "Played one, won, but still hated it," so I didn't vote. (No criticisms, though. It is an odd situation.)

Wait so I'm a little confused. Can you take models with only 3 wounds? You said you let someone take their Bloodthirster.....?

I'm going to whip out a 500 pt list, I'm not sure what HQ to use yet because of wound restrictions.

Me and 3 freinds were meant to be playing a 2v2 but it turned into a free-for-all because we kept usng our allies troops as expendable. It was pretty funny because i was paired with another marine player so his devestators were attacking my long fangs but since they were in the same building i managed to kill them off with an assault.

Koski wrote:Wait so I'm a little confused. Can you take models with only 3 wounds? You said you let someone take their Bloodthirster.....?

I'm going to whip out a 500 pt list, I'm not sure what HQ to use yet because of wound restrictions.

Does Bloodthirster have 4 wounds? Either way, just pop out a list man... Like I said before, its encouraged to take whatever you want (minus the unique characters and Land Raiders) because if someone brings a big gun to the table... the other players will (normally) take out the biggest threat and go down the line that way (for a more interesting long fight) some people just sui-charge the nearest guy and try to collect as many killpoints as possible... but then it turns into a dog / cat / mouse / cheese fight which is interesting sometimes, boring most times...

The rules above are just guidelines, for the most part the crew I play with is more or less a committee and we all decide together what we can / cannot do, to make it fair for everyone... At one point, we allowed our Daemons player to follow rules similar to a Drop Pod Assault... the first half came in on turn one (under normal deployment rules) ie. reasoning the daemons were already there finishing up a fight when new opponents came to the planet (the other players) the second half of his army followed his normal codex deployment rules.

Im trying to come up with a scenario: [King of the Hill] as a mission type with certain special rules for free for matches... Take the PC Game DoW Dark Crusade or Soulstorm, there are matches you can win by a (take and hold victory) or (assassination)...

Here it goes:

Mission Type: [King of the Hill]

Number of Players: 3-5 (more avail if the table is larger than 4x6)

All infantry units count as scoring units.

For each scoring unit on the hill at the end of the game turn +1 Battle Point

"The Hill" can be anything your imagination comes up with. (personally I just taped off a circle in the middle of the game board roughly 6" radius.)

Special Rule: Infantry embarked in a transport cannot score a battle point on the hill, they must be disembarked!

Anyone wanna toss in some feedback so that these "street fights" can be more than just annihilation killpoints vs killpoints?

Burntbeard wrote:
2. Total armor value of vehicle (front; side; side; rear) can be equal to or under 48pts... EX: 14F; 12S; 12S; 10R!

You can have Battlewagons!?

orkyben wrote:
You can have Battlewagons!?

Like I said, the bigger the gun the harder you fall... If you want to spend the points on a battle wagon go for it, plus you aren't going to make many friends when you stroll up and deffroll something, and in a street fight its a little tough to defend all sides of your armor so, yeah pop up a list...

For example, a Bloodthirster drops in pretty close to your Wagon and eventually gets close enough to attack it... Im sorry but im pretty sure that your not gunna make it =P anyways, yeah Battlewagon / Bloodthirster / Swarm Lord / Fire Prism... what ever you have in mind toss it up there!

HERE IT IS!

Daemon Prince +Wings +Doombolt

x6 CSM +Flamer

x6 CSM +Flamer

x6 Havoks +4 Autocannons

Hits 500 right on the head. I like it, I would totally field this army with Iron Maiden's "Number of The Beast" playing haha. What do you all think? I believe a Daemon Prince w/ Wings +4 Autocannons should be overly sufficient for anything the opponent fields.

Sorry to sound judgemental. In my local gaming community there seems to be an emphasis on shutting down mechanized lists. I figured it was pretty much the same everywhere but thankfully Im wrong.

I had a mechanized list that was good for a while but started getting spanked by mech killer armies, so about a month ago I went totally insane and bought a fortune in metal figures from the collector range figuring if I was going to build my insane big point infantry rebellion I may as well do it with cool figures, Vostroyans, Mordians, Valhallans, Steel legion. I have run them in a few games , though most all of them are just primed, I have months of painting to do, which is ok because I am a retired nerd that has lost his mind and has nothing else to do.

As for games with more than 2 players, I have done it although the teams were pre selected and the total points on both sides was equal. The first few games I played were pretty big games, 2500 to 3000 with me and another new player teaming up to take on a third player with a larger army. After my collection got over 2500 I didnt do much of that anymore.

Some of us still play smaller games sometimes if we are short on time or looking for a game with a different feel to it, or if someone does not have a big army, which is actually kind of rare here.

Rogue164 wrote:Sorry to sound judgemental. In my local gaming community there seems to be an emphasis on shutting down mechanized lists. I figured it was pretty much the same everywhere but thankfully Im wrong.

I had a mechanized list that was good for a while but started getting spanked by mech killer armies, so about a month ago I went totally insane and bought a fortune in metal figures from the collector range figuring if I was going to build my insane big point infantry rebellion I may as well do it with cool figures, Vostroyans, Mordians, Valhallans, Steel legion. I have run them in a few games , though most all of them are just primed, I have months of painting to do, which is ok because I am a retired nerd that has lost his mind and has nothing else to do.

As for games with more than 2 players, I have done it although the teams were pre selected and the total points on both sides was equal. The first few games I played were pretty big games, 2500 to 3000 with me and another new player teaming up to take on a third player with a larger army. After my collection got over 2500 I didnt do much of that anymore.

Some of us still play smaller games sometimes if we are short on time or looking for a game with a different feel to it, or if someone does not have a big army, which is actually kind of rare here.

Yeah, I'm still fairly new... and so are about half the people I play with. A friend of mine just bought his first Stompa and the rest of us are "slowly" getting into Apocalypse games... Playing video games like Command and Conquer; Star Craft; Dawn of War: Dark Crusade etc... has really got me to love the aspect of "Street Fights" because it's never always one on one... Hence, the idea for a [King of the Hill] format where everyone in the universe is going after this one specific artifact... An artifact that can tip the balance in any direction... I'm hope'n to get some play testing done on a small level, and then have free-for-all Apocalypse matches that last all day...

At the end of the day, with all the players in the room playing matches here and there team battles just around the corner... A free-for-all match to determine the technical battle master of all in a match where the one person you can count on is... YOU