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What would people say about this? In upcoming 8th it is a limited percentage, but would it be tactical to use it all up, or buy more troops? What percentage roughly would you say was the 'optimum'? (For the armies with generally more powerful heroes anyways).

It will really depend on the army and your play-style and your over plan on what youwant to center your army on.

Hm, I'll look through the lists I already have:

1.5K list on Dakka: 21% in Heroes, all slots used, O&G.

2.0K list on Dakka, Gimmick: 33.5%, all slots used, O&G. Has a Special Character & 3 Wizards.

2.0K list on Dakka: 25%, three slots used, O&G. Lord, BSB, Shaman, none Gobbo.

2.5K list on Dakka: 31.6%, four slots used, O&G. Lord w/ monstrous mount, BSB, cheapo Boss & Shaman, none Gobbo.

2.5K list off Dakka: 18.92%, four slots used, O&G. Lord, BSB, cheapo Shaman, Gobbo Boss, two Gob & 2 Orc.

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So, my total tends to bounce between about 20% and 30% of points, depending on type and equipment. However, it should be noted that Orc players almost always take max characters, as they need to make up for mediocre Core & Special choices. Armies with better units can often get by with less of their points in such characters, and other armies where they need the Heroes can be even more percent as their characters cost more.

I'd say to never go above 40%, ever, and try to keep below 35% - below 30 and even 25% if possible. Though sometimes they can make or break the game, other times you're just using up points that won't make up their cost (ex: My 74pt NG big-boss either hits it big and makes up several times his points, or rolls horribly and was a point sink I could have spent on a War Machine or bigger units).

Wondering if all that will change, though. I think some of the coolest things you can do now include picking up some night goblin bosses with great weapons for little to nothing. I suppose they are horribly likely to die, but still- so cheap!

Red_Zeke wrote:Wondering if all that will change, though. I think some of the coolest things you can do now include picking up some night goblin bosses with great weapons for little to nothing. I suppose they are horribly likely to die, but still- so cheap!

Six of them, GW's, front rank of Gobbo unit, 204pt front naked of anything else. Won't be hit by shooting (barring Templates, unless they get Lookout Sirs), only models in contact with enemy at combat's start (so unit can only be dished 12 wounds max that phase), all attacks need to be split against individual bosses, each remaining boss gives back 3 S6 attacks.

I doubt it will be used much, however, for a plethora of reasons. Even though I've proposed this before several times for O&G, the only army that it's cost efficient enough to use a bunch is Skaven (to my knowledge) by taking 15pt Engineers as two-wound damage sponges. If you don't mind the extra 30pts (bringing the front to 120 for each unit), you give them all pistols to boot for a short stand-and-shoot before combat (that hopefully will cause one to two wounds). They're one of the few armies that can have such screens and keep below the 40% thing (well, keep below the 40% and keep a general / dedicated heroes worth mentioning).

Does anyone know if it definately is 25% heros and then 25% lords.
And if this still follows the maximum amount of characters allow.
E.g 1 lord and 3 heros in 2000pts?

I know you can take Lords at any point level now.
But if you have enough points to take 2 lords Can you? or does the game have to be 3000points??

any confirmation about this?

Yes i would like confermation also.

I am pretty sure slots don't apply any more. You can have as many lords as you can fit in <25%

Thtas what i thought but I am asumeing form "your pretty sure" that you don't have the book.
I would like to hear from someone who has.

Lexx wrote:It will really depend on the army and your play-style and your over plan on what youwant to center your army on.

My playstyle is generally quite hero heavy - A lot of magic and one or 2 characters to kick epic ass in CC. xD I say 'is' but I haven't played in ages, since I'm coming back in after a respite (exams and stuff...)

That's what I thought, but I am assuming from "you're pretty sure" that you don't have the book.
I would like to hear from someone who has.

While, I don't have it myself, I have heard what lunarman said by people who have. Look at the rumour thread for more details about it.

Yes, it's been confirmed all over that it's 25% max lords, 25% max heroes. I checked that in the book myself earlier this week. No slots, the only restrictions are for special units (only 3 duplicates) and rare units (only 2 duplicates). Otherwise it's (in addition to the above) 25% min core, 50% max special, 25% max rare.

I won't be taking as many points as I used to in characters- mine were on monstrous mounts which seem to be not as good now, and I've heard they can't join units (need to check it myself next time I'm in the store). So I'll probably just be taking a treeman ancient. I don't even need wizards since my treemen can use bound treesinging (cast with PD now), and the PD are generated automatically, not based on your number of wizards or their level (they would just add their level to casting their own spells, if you have a wizard). So very few points in heroes for me!

And the PD are generated automatically, not based on your number of wizards or their level (they would just add their level to casting their own spells, if you have a wizard). So very few points in heroes for me!

Yeah, it means my (small atm) Tzeench daemons army cant spam wizards effectively anymore, and horrors use up your limited pd store. But it must be said, Fateweaver is a beast now, seeing as he can choose all the uder spells and get +6 to cast them, not to mention a re-roll to save your army from the devastating miscast table... Mebe whack in a few khorne heroes to kick ass, but I digress... Wizard heavy armies will definitely see a decline in heroes because of the limited PD. You can use spells to get more, but you have to be very tactical to benefit from them, seeing as you cant go over 12.

my friends have told me that the latest white dwarf also states that there are no slots. just 25% point limit!
so super confimation hopefully

Going to be running 2 lords in every list <3