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as the title states, i'm having a difficult time to figure out what to do.

should i get the chimera's (multi-laser,heavy bolter & stubber) & use as a mobile bunker

for some sniper rifle & auto cannon vets ?

or just deploy the vets in cover & take the vendetta ?

current army list is mech, 4 chimeras, LRBT,Leman russ exterminator w/ pask & a manticore.

Maybe if you give the specifics of your list, we could help you better.

IE, how many chimeras have line squads, and what are they armed with? What about for an HQ?

here's the list run down:

CCS # 1
straken
melta x2
flamer X2
bodyguard x2
carapace
chimera w/ multi-lasr,hull bolter & stubber

CCS # 2
commander w/ palsma pistol,ccw
plasma gunners x4
carapace
chimera w/ multi-lasr,hull bolter & stubber

vet squad ( x2 )
shotgun x6
melta x3
sgt. w/ shotgun,pf
chimera w/ multi-lasr,hull bolter & stubber

vet squad (x2)
sniper rifles x3
autocannon team
sgt. las-pistol,pw

Leman Russ battletank battlecannon,hull bolter & stubber

Leman Russ Exterminator w/ Pask
hull bolter,sponson bolters & stubber

Manticore w/ h. flamer

my original list the sniper vets were loaded in the chimeras.

i can drop the sniper vet chimeras , deploy them in cover & pick up the Vendetta for the cost.

thoughts & suggestions .

Well first of all you are vastly overpaying for your snipers in the vet Squad; Drop the Rifles off of them and get grenade launchers, they will do more damage more often.
As to the 130 points spend it on the Vendetta, and drop one of the Sniper Vet squads(if I added that correctly you should have 105 points back, I didn't double check my codex, so I may be off), spend that last 105 points on Ratlings(10 of them). This gives you 10 Sniper rifles that have infiltrate and Stealth, still @ BS4.

Yes, if you want snipers, you're better off with ratlings.

If you drop all the stubbers, you can bring a chimera and another vendetta.

I'm just starting on IG too, making a tank based army list. Looking at your list, I'm really curious with some of your choices. It's a 1000-1200 pts list, correct? Here's my 2cents about them:
- 2 CCS
What would you need two for?
- Straken & CC
At 95 pts, he's pretty expensive.. I don't think IG is made for CC. That shotgun vets will only get themselves killed pretty quickly IMO
- 2 meltas & 2 flamers on the CCS#1 is too spread out. IMO you'd be better off packing one kind of weapon.
- Snipers
Agree with Kel, if you really want snipers, better off getting rattlings.

About the question, I think you'd be better off having another chimera with AC/GL infantry squad.

Again, it's just my 2 cents.

Kommissar Kel wrote:Well first of all you are vastly overpaying for your snipers in the vet Squad; Drop the Rifles off of them and get grenade launchers, they will do more damage more often.
As to the 130 points spend it on the Vendetta, and drop one of the Sniper Vet squads(if I added that correctly you should have 105 points back, I didn't double check my codex, so I may be off), spend that last 105 points on Ratlings(10 of them). This gives you 10 Sniper rifles that have infiltrate and Stealth, still @ BS4.

Kel, i choose the sniper rifle over the grenade launchers for the longer range which i feel goes well w/ the autocannon team.

combined w/ the orders fire on my target & bring it down i have a chance of taking out any MC's or the like before they hit my line.

It is however possible to field either as i have the models both for SR & GL's.

My sniper rifle vets have put down some MC's ;Lately my buddies wraithlord turn 2, rending is awesome.


Terminus, i don't know if i could drop the stubbers.

i've had outstanding rolls to hit & to wound w/ the stubbers.

when everything failed to hit/to wound the stubbers shined.


Marvelnube, Straken is a must for me since both of my other 40k armies are assault based ( orks & daemons )

2 ccs ? CCS # 1 w/ straken is my assault force.CCS #2 is my double tapping termie/MC toasters !

not to mention that the range for orders is extended.

as far as the CCS#1 be too spread out , it allows me to wound allocate & keep key members of the squad alive.

I fully understand Why you took the SR, before I really sat down with the codex and poured over it a few times I thought they would be a Good Sit-and-shoot unit; and Vets really are an excellent second choice for SR(3 hitting 2/3 of the time and half that hit wound) it is just that for efficiency you cannot go wrong with Ratlings. Ratlings give you More rifles, the Same BS, and a few extremely valuable special rules all for less points.

A veteran Sniper team is 85 Points before adding any Heavy weapons, or Sgt kit. For 80 points of ratlings you get nearly 3 times the number of rifles, and free Camo cloaks.

Ratlings can also receive orders(a little less efficiently without a Lord Commissar around, but still can do it)

Well, sniper vets aside, if it were me I would take the Vendetta. Your list seems to me like it could use the extra heavy anti-tank.

How about this? Take the Vendetta, mount one of your Melta squads in it, and give the Chimera that you just freed up to the sniper squad. That way, you could give your meltas the mobility they need to get up close and personal to a LR on turn one .

Ruckdog wrote:Well, sniper vets aside, if it were me I would take the Vendetta. Your list seems to me like it could use the extra heavy anti-tank.

How about this? Take the Vendetta, mount one of your Melta squads in it, and give the Chimera that you just freed up to the sniper squad. That way, you could give your meltas the mobility they need to get up close and personal to a LR on turn one .

This is the way to go I think. Plus it's that much harder to scare your low leadership ratlings off.

Have you considered a Hellhound or HH variant?

Definitely take the Vendetta, you need that AT

the vendetta would give you a needed boost to anti-tank, but it wouldn't fit into your list as a whole. You've got a lot of armor on the board, and that synergized with even more armor. The vendetta, on the other hand, isn't helped as much buy the other armor and would just be alone, and once it was swatted down, the threat would be over.

As mentioned, there's a fair amount of fat in this list. I'd trim it down, allowing you to take a chimera for the vet squad without a ride, and then another squad of melta vets in a chimera. That way you get more anti-tank and 2 more vehicles for your armored horde.