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Ork Cybork, here again for all of you out there in TV land. Or something.

ANYway, I'm hoping to start running a completely tooled out mech list. After playing a few games i'm just not "feeling" footslogin orks, so I wana start a mech list that doesn't rely on the all to fragile trukk. Doing so at 1000 points has proven to be...a challenge. The list is suppose to rely on battlewagon spam with plenty of boyz inside to fill it all out. Because three battlewagons is just itchin to get shot at, I'm hoping to make this list as tough as possible. So please, suggestions as always are loved.

My Waaagh! Again!
Armour’d Krumpany!

HQ – 225 pts.
Warboss Rakknbash Iceteef – 100 pts.
- Powerklaw
- Cybork Body
- Bosspole

Big Mek Kurtzizzit Iceteef – 125 pts.
- Power Klaw
- Kustom Force Field
- Cybork Body
- Bosspole

Troops – 383 pts.

Boyz x19 – 114 pts.
- Shoota Boyz

Boyz x19 – 114 pts.
- Shoota Boyz

Boyz x20 – 155 pts.
- Shoota Boyz
- Nob
-- Powerklaw

Heavy Support – 390 pts.

BattleWagon – 130 pts.
- Deff Rolla
- Grot Riggers
- Armour Plates
- Big Shoota

BattleWagon – 130 pts.
- Deff Rolla
- Grot Riggers
- Armour Plates
- Big Shoota

BattleWagon – 130 pts.
- Deff Rolla
- Grot Riggers
- Armour Plates
- Big Shoota

As you can guess the Warboss and Big Mek both go in their own personal Wagon with their own troop of Boyz. All the wagons are outfitted with DeffRollas to maximize my threat range, and my Krumpin potential. With three wagons each fitted with 20 unites, one with a big ole PK, and the KFF giving protection and repairing stuff, I'd like to figure the list is fully capable. However there are a few things I'm upset about. I'd really like two big shootaz on each of these things but I don't have the points. I'm left wtih two after all of this. I'd also liked to have put an Attack Squig on that Warboss. But such is life, no go there. Still I'm happy with what I've got here, but if you feel the need to suggest something, go ahead!

Try to put a PK nob in each boys mob. You could strip the wargear from the mek to just give him a KFF.

Also, since you will be transporting the boys in wagons you should switch them from shootas to slugga/choppas. Shootas should only go on walking boys in my opinion.

Agreed, the only wargear a KFF mech needs is the KFF . . . I used to give my KFF some gear, but it always led me to think he was cc capable, and getting eaten.
Instead, use the points to give your squads powerklaw nobs. They can't be singled out, and pack the same punch.

The warboss . . . well if you dropped him you would have more points for other crap, but I don't know what. Maybe play a few test games and see how it all works.

augustus5 wrote:Try to put a PK nob in each boys mob. You could strip the wargear from the mek to just give him a KFF.

Also, since you will be transporting the boys in wagons you should switch them from shootas to slugga/choppas. Shootas should only go on walking boys in my opinion.

Battlewagon Boyz is a convention I hate, but it's meant for Shootas. Battlewagons are not Fast vehicles, which means you'll be moving and have a desire to shoot out of that open top.

Take the Cybork and PK off the Mek and give it to a Nob in the Boyz mob travelling with it instead.

HQ - Warboss, PK, Cybork, BP - 100

HQ - KFF Mek - 85

Troops - 19 Shootas - 114
Troops - 19 Shootas, Nob w/PK, BP - 154
Troops - 20 Shootas, Nob w/PK, BP - 160

Heavy - Battlewagon, Deffrolla, Grot Riggers, Armour Plates, Big Shoota - 130
Heavy - Battlewagon, Deffrolla, Grot Riggers, Armour Plates, Big Shoota - 130
Heavy - Battlewagon, Deffrolla, Grot Riggers, Big Shoota - 125
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With Pk Nobs I would be trying to get out and assault, since you have no boarding planks on the Battlewagons. I would think Shoot/Slugga boys would be better with the units that have Pk nobs.

Agreed, I'd drop Armour Plates or Riggers for Boarding Planks.

On the other hand, do the math.

20 Sluggas will get you an extra 20 swings in an assault, sure, but you have to wait until you're in assault. Meanwhile, Shootas in a Battlewagon will get on average two turns of shooting before getting into assault range, that's 80 shots.

80 Shots or 20 Swings, you pick.

Shootas are staying right where they are, for two reasons. One being I am not, AMNOT, painting another buncha boyz just so they can be slugga/choppa boyz. Second off Shootaz are just more flexible, and shooting out of the back of a wagon to me is just as effective. I dunno, I may be wrong. I'll playtest both at some point.

Secondly, why should I get a PK Nob in that squad when the Big Mek is doing the same job just as well? They have the same stats. It doesn't make sense to me, especially since I'm so hard pressed to save points as is (otherwise my warboss'd have a better gun). And the Cybork on him is because I want him to be as survivable as possible if the Wagon is blown up somehow. I dunno maybe it is a waist of points but I don't feel like getting rid of it.

I dun wana get rid of Armour Plates, or Grot Riggers, but I see how Boarding Planks COULD be useful. But honestly I think I'll just ram with the DeffRolla for that, and keep the survivability for my wagons.

Battlewagon Boyz is a convention I hate

Mind if I ask you why?

Ork Cyborg wrote:Secondly, why should I get a PK Nob in that squad when the Big Mek is doing the same job just as well? They have the same stats. It doesn't make sense to me, especially since I'm so hard pressed to save points as is (otherwise my warboss'd have a better gun). And the Cybork on him is because I want him to be as survivable as possible if the Wagon is blown up somehow. I dunno maybe it is a waist of points but I don't feel like getting rid of it.

The Big Mek does -not- do the job just as well. Independent characters can be singled out in assaults which means your opponent goes "I swing all these guys at the Mek" and the Mek dies before ever getting to swing. The Nob is not independent, which means the Boyz can soak his wounds. Your KFF Mek should never be in combat, he's just not beefy enough.

Ork Cyborg wrote:Mind if I ask you why?

Not at all. I hate the idea of Battlewagon Boyz simply because I'm convinced that something - ANYTHING else is a better choice; Nobz, Meganobz, Burnas, even Tankbustas or Flash Gitz. Battlewagons when used as transports are there to seriously protect its contents, and I just don't think 150 points of Boyz are worth protecting with 150 points of Battlewagon.

Frosty Hardtop wrote:

Ork Cyborg wrote:Secondly, why should I get a PK Nob in that squad when the Big Mek is doing the same job just as well? They have the same stats. It doesn't make sense to me, especially since I'm so hard pressed to save points as is (otherwise my warboss'd have a better gun). And the Cybork on him is because I want him to be as survivable as possible if the Wagon is blown up somehow. I dunno maybe it is a waist of points but I don't feel like getting rid of it.

The Big Mek does -not- do the job just as well. Independent characters can be singled out in assaults which means your opponent goes "I swing all these guys at the Mek" and the Mek dies before ever getting to swing. The Nob is not independent, which means the Boyz can soak his wounds. Your KFF Mek should never be in combat, he's just not beefy enough.

Ork Cyborg wrote:Mind if I ask you why?

Not at all. I hate the idea of Battlewagon Boyz simply because I'm convinced that something - ANYTHING else is a better choice; Nobz, Meganobz, Burnas, even Tankbustas or Flash Gitz. Battlewagons when used as transports are there to seriously protect its contents, and I just don't think 150 points of Boyz are worth protecting with 150 points of Battlewagon.

...Ok, the note of the Nob not being Independant does make sense...thanks, that is the better idea. So remove the PK and the Cybork and the Bosspole from the Big Mek and put them all on the boys squad he's acompanying for that Nob.

As for your dislike of battlewagon boys, I duuno. I am similarly convinced that Kult O Speed lists with five trucks full of boys are similarly not worth the trouble. That's just too few Boyz to actually do anything, and they won't stay Fearless for very long either. Yet as I said I don't care for footsloggin orks either, just...too easy to shoot to hell and back, regardless of cover. Maybe I could drop the third boyz squad for a Nobz squad, but I tend to try and avoid Nobz because it seems the only way to make them any good is to Cheeze the hell out of them.

...But now that I think about it, Burnaz....Burnaz might be an interesting choice.

Not enough target saturation, in my opinion. Those 3 wagons are going to get brassed up in a big way, KFF or not.

Also, don't scale back on boyz.