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So, in the game having 2 Daemon Princes in one Chaos Space Marine army is lethal to say the least, however, would this really work in the fluff?

I can't imagine their being two Daemon Princes in one Chaos War-band, particularly with their typical uncooperative nature. So, simply, would there really be two Daemon Princes in one warband?!







Note, this is in regards to having two Princes in one warband. Having two prince's from different warbands work together is workable, although similarly tense due to their nature. I think...

Maybe they're just two different aspects of the same person, split in half because of his prodigious power could not be handled by a single psyche?

You could simply say that 2 warbands joined forces for particular battle, whos to say they dont bludgeon each other over the spoils once the battle is done?

If they shared the same Mark then this could probably happen. Although one would probably be more powerful and be the actual leader, while the other would be second in command. As long as you can think of a good enough reason then it is plausible.

Different Mark DP's probably wouldn't work unless it was a huge force, and then it would depend on which gods each belonged to.

Do you have any ideas on how you would incorporate them "Just Dave"? (was going to put "Dave" but that would have been far too informal )

What goes on in "the fluff" (whatever definition you use) has only so much to do with the tabletop as you would like, considering that you can really make up just about anything. The complaint is probably more geared to there being two Daemon Princes in just about every Chaos Warband out there rather than it being possible that such a thing could conceivably happen at all. There's a similar complaint regarding Guard platoons packing so much plasma, IIRC.

Melissia wrote:Maybe they're just two different aspects of the same person, split in half because of his prodigious power could not be handled by a single psyche?

Hmmm, I think this one has some potential...

MRMUMMBLES wrote:You could simply say that 2 warbands joined forces for particular battle, whos to say they dont bludgeon each other over the spoils once the battle is done?

The italics in OP has this covered...

Manchu wrote:What goes on in "the fluff" (whatever definition you use) has only so much to do with the tabletop as you would like, considering that you can really make up just about anything. The complaint is probably more geared to there being two Daemon Princes in just about every Chaos Warband out there rather than it being possible that such a thing could conceivably happen at all. There's a similar complaint regarding Guard platoons packing so much plasma, IIRC.

I know what you mean Manchu, but I like to have my tabletop armed themed and supported by fluff and if I can make it competitive whilst doing so, then all the better! It's very much fluff 1st, gaming 2nd. But Daemon Princes are sooooooo(ooooooo) cool, I want two! I just don't know how it would work (if it would) in fluff terms?

Colossal Donkey wrote:If they shared the same Mark then this could probably happen. Although one would probably be more powerful and be the actual leader, while the other would be second in command. As long as you can think of a good enough reason then it is plausible.

Different Mark DP's probably wouldn't work unless it was a huge force, and then it would depend on which gods each belonged to.

Do you have any ideas on how you would incorporate them "Just Dave"? (was going to put "Dave" but that would have been far too informal )

HAHAHA! Well it's a good thing you didn't put "Dave", as my name is actually Just. I hate it when people call me Dave, why is it so confusing?!

Well, they're intended to be the same mark, both from a Emperor's Children warband that really worships and indulges Slaanesh and therefore is heavily corrupted. My game intentions were to have some significant deviancy and corruption displayed on the models and choice (eg. Defilers, some Noise Marines etc.) and as for the Daemon Prince(s) themselves, the one that will definately be included will have Wings/MoS and Warptime and therefore a powerhouse.

I intended to have a Greater Daemon as well, however I could sacrifice him for another Daemon Prince, this would leave me 145pts for a Daemon Prince (GD + Champions) and therefore enough for a Prince with Mos/Wings and Doombolt IIRC. So he would appear to be the subordinate.

Perhaps both of them are forced to work for a higher power;

By extension, a Daemon Prince represents a Chaos God in all its tangible glory. Each Daemon Prince would have to have a very good reason for working with another of a different master.

It could be easy for Khorne worshipping Daemon Princes to work together; figure that one Daemon Prince invites a lot of carnage and blood for their god. Two of them would be catastrophic.

And in the end, when there are no more enemies to fight, they would probably go tear each other apart.

Just Dave wrote:
HAHAHA! Well it's a good thing you didn't put "Dave", as my name is actually Just. I hate it when people call me Dave, why is it so confusing?!

Well, they're intended to be the same mark, both from a Emperor's Children warband that really worships and indulges Slaanesh and therefore is heavily corrupted. My game intentions were to have some significant deviancy and corruption displayed on the models and choice (eg. Defilers, some Noise Marines etc.) and as for the Daemon Prince(s) themselves, the one that will definately be included will have Wings/MoS and Warptime and therefore a powerhouse.

I intended to have a Greater Daemon as well, however I could sacrifice him for another Daemon Prince, this would leave me 145pts for a Daemon Prince (GD + Champions) and therefore enough for a Prince with Mos/Wings and Doombolt IIRC. So he would appear to be the subordinate.

Dave, Just Dave...

*cue bond music*



Love Noise Marines, if only you could get Sonic Defiliers to go along with them. Ahhhh.... *slips off into a dream*

The second DP could have his mouth sewn shut (or no mouth at all), covered in speakers relaying the 1st DPs voice to reinforce his rank within the warband.

Look forward to seeing where you go with this.

WarOne wrote:Perhaps both of them are forced to work for a higher power;

By extension, a Daemon Prince represents a Chaos God in all its tangible glory. Each Daemon Prince would have to have a very good reason for working with another of a different master.

It could be easy for Khorne worshipping Daemon Princes to work together; figure that one Daemon Prince invites a lot of carnage and blood for their god. Two of them would be catastrophic.

And in the end, when there are no more enemies to fight, they would probably go tear each other apart.

Ah, and there lies the problem! These are two Princes from the same warband and same god (in theory), there will commonly be no more enemies to fight. As cool as two Princes are, the very nature of their being seems to prevent them working together...


Hmmmm, what about a the Prince's each being a different gender? because you know, Slaanesh/hermaphrodite etc...

or one seemingly being from a pre-Space Marine era?

I do like (Colossal) Donkey's (WHAT A NAME!) idea, but I just can't imagine a Daemon Prince being another's b**ch...

I think the idea of one being a Daemon Prince that came about during the fall of the Eldar is a good one like you said.

A DP almost as old as Slaanesh himself, Intent on leading this warband to new acts of debasement and pleasure. Almost like a guide to the new DP, but he is still clearly in charge.


In fact, the main DP should be female and have the daemon weapons "the dominator heels".

Colossal Donkey wrote:I think the idea of one being a Daemon Prince that came about during the fall of the Eldar is a good one like you said.

A DP almost as old as Slaanesh himself, Intent on leading this warband to new acts of debasement and pleasure. Almost like a guide to the new DP, but he is still clearly in charge.


In fact, the main DP should be female and have the daemon weapons "the dominator heels".

The top bit, I like! I really like! Definitely at the top of the list! Oooh I so love that idea! =D Maybe, have like some kind of wraithlord incorporation...


The bottom bit however seems kinda like you've strolled off into a wet dream!

so two battle brothers form the traitor legions who survived the heresy and have cursed the imperium for 10 000 years get gifted to daemon hood and together reign havoc with immorality.

meh just an idea to throw out there

physcosamatic wrote:so two battle brothers form the traitor legions who survived the heresy and have cursed the imperium for 10 000 years get gifted to daemon hood and together reign havoc with immorality.

meh just an idea to throw out there

I wanted to suggest just that... Two Space Marines, brothers even before were inducted in the Legions, who preserved their bond into daemonhood, thus not trying to kill the other, separated for a long time and now reunited to spill loyalist scum blood

aka_tizz wrote:

physcosamatic wrote:so two battle brothers form the traitor legions who survived the heresy and have cursed the imperium for 10 000 years get gifted to daemon hood and together reign havoc with immorality.

meh just an idea to throw out there

I wanted to suggest just that... Two Space Marines, brothers even before were inducted in the Legions, who preserved their bond into daemonhood, thus not trying to kill the other, separated for a long time and now reunited to spill loyalist scum blood

See that is also an idea that I really like, and is much easier to work with. But would this bond really survive into Daemonhood and full embrace of Chaos? I'm not sure, it'd be good if it did, but traitor marines are back-stabbing scumbags at the best of time...

Yeah, that's the problem i didn't want to point out. However, nobody stops you to say that they were always so close that not even Chaos and daemonhood couldn't change that

I fully agree that fluff comes first. If I wanted to stand around a table and use a cookie cutter army to beat my opponent, I'd play chess. Instead I choose wargaming because I want flavor and storyline even if it means the army won't be ultimately powerful.
Regarding the OP's question, I could see two DPs working together. Yes, they are each warlords in their own right, but just because they're evil doesn't mean they're stupid. All too often I think we see background showing evil armies as being doomed to fall upon each other in an orgy of betrayal. But DP's used to be Space Marines. They know how to fight as part of a unit and use every advantage they can get. They may not have a beer together afterward, but I could see them engaging in war as a unified front.

Just Dave wrote:The bottom bit however seems kinda like you've strolled off into a wet dream!

Oh babage, to be fair who doesn't want a dominating daemon with crazy dominatrix expertise?

I know I want one.

*touches thighs vigorously*

Colossal Donkey wrote:

Just Dave wrote:The bottom bit however seems kinda like you've strolled off into a wet dream!

Oh babage, to be fair who doesn't want a dominating daemon with crazy dominatrix expertise?

I know I want one.

*touches thighs vigorously*

Well I'll be crying myself to sleep tonight...

The Faded wrote:I fully agree that fluff comes first. If I wanted to stand around a table and use a cookie cutter army to beat my opponent, I'd play chess. Instead I choose wargaming because I want flavor and storyline even if it means the army won't be ultimately powerful.
Regarding the OP's question, I could see two DPs working together. Yes, they are each warlords in their own right, but just because they're evil doesn't mean they're stupid. All too often I think we see background showing evil armies as being doomed to fall upon each other in an orgy of betrayal. But DP's used to be Space Marines. They know how to fight as part of a unit and use every advantage they can get. They may not have a beer together afterward, but I could see them engaging in war as a unified front.

I completely agree (although chess is balanced, not cookie cutter). I know what you mean in the second section and I think it could be true. But that is all part of the traitor-marine persona, they are back-stabbing bastards who lust for power, as are daemons. I imagine if the Space Marine was the dominant 'personality' within the Daemon Prince, then they might work together, but I intend to have a highly-Slaanesh worshipping army... I'm now thinking along the lines of two close battle (and blood?) brothers, but I'm still not sure they could work together in the same warband...

Just Dave wrote: I'm now thinking along the lines of two close battle (and blood?) brothers, but I'm still not sure they could work together in the same warband...

Lovers, perhaps? Two asexual Daemons who have, through eldritch magiks, corrupted two proud asartes into twisted monstrosities devoted to the pleasure found within the other.

Alpha Legion, multiple heads command the army, should one fall the others will keep on as normal.

Well a lot of Slaanesh worshipers are very arogant and proud. I don't think a powerful slaanesh DP would be above summoning and enslaving a lesser DP just to feed its ego.

Similarly, I don't think a Tzeentch DP would hesitate to manipulate less intellectual DP's for his grand scheme.

i think lovers would be interesting or maybe some sort of pact? could they have a bet of some sorts or some other force which requires them to work together or to attempt to show their power over the other.

or maybe they need each other, sort of like one is warrior other is thinker type relationship. where they need the other in order to win battles thou they dont like each other.

hope those ideas give rise to inspiration