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Last week I played friend who plays Imperial Guard. It was a thousand points and used the web way portal tactic. It was a great game and I crushed him 9 killpoints to his two! We agreed to have another game soon but up it ot 1500 points but I dont have too many models I wrote a list anyway and was wondering if any of you lovely Dakka Dakka users thinks it will earn me the win.. again

HQ
Leilith hesperax (90)
Decapitator (112)


Troops
9x Wyches
wych weapons
2x Blaster
Succubus with Agoniser, Combat drugs and the Goblet of spite.
Mounted in a Raider with slave snares (leilith will most likely be on this raider!) (255)


10x Wyches
wych weapons
2x Blaster
Succubus with Agoniser, Combat drugs.
Mounted in raider with slave snares (263)


Elites
7x Mandrakes (105)

10x Warriors
2x Splinter cannons
Sybarite with soul seeker ammo + combat drugs. (136)

Warp beast pack (75)

Fast attack
3x Reaver Jetbike
2x Blaster
Succubus with agoniser
Haywire Grenades (143)


Heavy support
Ravager (105)

5x Scorges
4x Splinter cannons
syrabite
Web way portal (216)


And thats the 1500.

So the plan is to deep strike with the Scorges (I know its very VERY risky but it worked out fantasticly last time ) and deploy the portal and get some cannon shots on a squad. Everything comes out of the portal. The slave snares are great with this tactic 'cos I open the portal close to him then almost always the raiders will fly over something. (And I just love the thought of hurting him in the movement, shooting and assualt phases ) and yeah, assualt everything!

Oh! The mandrakes and champion are to assualt the stuff I cant get to first turn out of the portal, and he always takes an infiltrating squad of snipers or something AND he always puts them in the same place. So I cant wait to show him the piece of paper that has the location of my mandrake champion on it, and watch his face drop when he realises its next to his sniper squad

Yeah, thoughts and comments!?

Much appreciated !

Portal Tactics are not reliable enough to use in competitive tournament play. If you want it for fun, go for it.

Web way portals are not really that good for competitive play, if you want them for fun though, fine. Mandrakes are usually are not so good, same with warp beasts. I would drop the decapitator and get some raider squads with dark lances. I would also get 3 ravagers with Disintegrators.

Dr Chris wrote:9x Wyches
wych weapons
2x Blaster
Succubus with Agoniser, Combat drugs and the Goblet of spite.
Mounted in a Raider with slave snares (leilith will most likely be on this raider!) (255)

10x Wyches
wych weapons
2x Blaster
Succubus with Agoniser, Combat drugs.
Mounted in raider with slave snares (263)

You're better off splitting the wych squads up into 3, if you've got sufficient Raiders. Wyches are best at just holding the enemy up, rather than straight up killing them, so the extra bodies don't really help. And you don't really need to give the succubus combat drugs, as the wyches will already have some drug bonus. Oh and make sure they've got plasma grenades. Also, I've found Horrorfexes to be better than Slave Snares on Raiders. The Slave Snares are more expensive, and generally won't do much of anything. The Horrorfexes, on the other hand, are cheap and can easily pin most squads.

And only having 2 troop squads is a few too many for DE. Our dudes aren't very resilient, so you'll probably need a few more.

Dr Chris wrote:7x Mandrakes (105)

I'm skeptical about Mandrakes, but if they're working for you, keep them in there. In my opinion, wyches are always better than mandrakes.

Dr Chris wrote:10x Warriors
2x Splinter cannons
Sybarite with soul seeker ammo + combat drugs. (136)

Especially if you're facing guard, you're going to want lots of anti-tank. So I'd recommend switching the splinter cannons to dark lances. And you can probably drop the upgrades on the sybarite, as this squad will mainly be shooting.

Dr Chris wrote:Warp beast pack (75)

Warp Beasts are a fun harassment unit, especially against Guard. Use them to hold up heavy and special weapons teams. Unfortunately, if anyone so much as looks at them, they give up a killpoint.

Dr Chris wrote:3x Reaver Jetbike
2x Blaster
Succubus with agoniser
Haywire Grenades (143)

Reaver jetbikes, especially at a squad size of 3, aren't particularly good at CC. So spending the points for a tooled out succubus doesn't really help unless you throw a Lord on bike with them, or beef up the squad size. If you like the succubus, I'd recommend using punisher/t. helm rather than agonizer. On the bike, the punisher gives you strength 5 and the t. helm gives you an extra attack.

Dr Chris wrote:5x Scorges
4x Splinter cannons
syrabite
Web way portal (216)

Banking your entire army on 5 T3 Sv 5+ not getting gunned down is overly risky. 9 times out of 10, this squad will get slaughtered the turn they land. If you want to use the Webway Portal, I'd suggest giving it to a haemonculus with a grotesque retinue in a raider. That way they've got some mobility and some survivability. In general though, I'd recommend against the Webway portal. It's risky whether it even gets deployed, and then your force is going to be coming in piecemeal. Let us know how it works out!

I was going to write up something - but really I think afireinside pretty much summed up everything I was going to say. Overall that's some solid advice and I think it's well worth listening to.

Really my only disagreement is his attitude towards the splinter cannon foot squad. Switching it out to dark lances is really a dramatic change in the focus of the squad and he's making this decision without knowing what your friend fields. If the IG are going to have a wad of armor on the field then the lances will be invaluable to you - otherwise you'll want the s.cannons to help chew through the hordes. The loadout on the Sybarite is pretty odd - soul seeker ammo for his splinter pistol? Who needs it? Also, a drug dispenser (a major investment) without even giving him poisoned blades so he can be actually a possible threat in h2h combat?

I really am surprised the Scourges worked for you last time - any IG player worthy of the name ought to at least have enough weaponry on the table to kill 5 Scourges before they're able to use a WWP.

afireinside wins a cookie for good list advice.

Thor665 wrote:afireinside wins a cookie for good list advice.

Oh boy

The way you guys are talking it sounds like you cant drop a webway portal on the turn you land with the scourges I thought you could.

I only use the web way 'cos I hate the damn basalisk! Gets me inside it's minium range quickly..

I only have 2 Raiders and one Ravager at the moment, I think tomorrow Im gonna go shopping for 3 more Raiders and a new bigger case

Thanks for the tips guys!

Unfortunately you can't move or shoot the turn you deploy the portal. So that's why it's such a risky strategy.