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Yeah, so I just made another thread for my experimental list, but I thought I might as well put up my actual list also. It's pretty basic, I like to spam troops and infantry.I only use tanks when I have to. Mmhmm.

HQ- Lash Prince,With Wings, duh-----------------------------------155 points
- Kharne The Betrayer-------------------------------165 points

Elites- None, unless you convince me.

Troops- 10 CSM: 2 Meltas, IOCG, Rhino----------205 Points

10 CSM: 2 Meltas, IOCG, Rhino----------205 Points

10 CSM: 2 Meltas, IOCG, Rhino----------205 Points

10 CSM: 2 Meltas, IOCG, Rhino----------205 Points

10 CSM: 2 Meltas, IOCG, Rhino----------205 Points

Fast Attack- 5 Raptors ---------------------------------100 Points
5 Raptors ---------------------------------100 Points

Heavy Support- 2 Obliterators ------------------------150 Points
- 2 Obliterators ------------------------150 points
- Vindicator with Possession-----------145 points

Which total is: 1990 Points. Which means I've got 10 points left.

As you can see, the Raptors are basically a distraction to let me pull my Rhinos forward without having to worry as much. I'd be willing to let them go for a couple terminators, but I'm not sure.

Sorry if the list is a total cookie cutter. Okay,well thanks in advance!

Princes are ok but lash princes aren't. You should use princes with warptime with MoN or MoT.

Consider outflanking chosen with mass meltaguns in a rhino, they can make a real mess.

Troops are messed up because you have two different weapons for two very different roles. Take double special weapons so 2 meltas and 2 flamers per squad.

Raptors are utterly pointless at the moment. Give them meltaguns so they can deep strike and nail a armoured target, now they're more threatening.

Obliterators are ok but I'd rather take more obliterators than havocs just because they're a lot better.

If you ironed out a few things this list could be pretty decent.

I myself prefer bikers over Raptors, they can turbo boost, they are relentless, they have twin-linked Bolters + special weapons, they have more toughness.. and are a little more expensive.

A few suggestions:

The Lash Princes are great, the problem is you don't have anything worth hitting them with after you lash them. This is the reason you need 2x2 Obliterators. Lash one unit, Plasma cannon, plasma cannon, etc. Or a Vindicator (possessed, it's 5 pts cheaper than 2 Oblits), but these usually work better in pairs. The alternative is lashing them close so you can assault them with, say, a unit of CSM and a Prince or two.

The CSM squads need 2x meltaguns and IoCG. Melta+flamer is pretty weak, and you've already got anti-horde in the form of a bunch of bolters.

The Raptors need meltaguns to be viable, though a Termicide squad is a lot scarier and does the same thing.

Ah yes. The "lash into vindication" technique. A wise technique. I've done it many times, but It

Also, I have no idea what I was thing with 1 melta,1 flamer. That never works. Edited!

Though, you'll just get 1 melta per box of CSM. I went with a Melta and a Plasma Gun, the Plasma Gun is very good against heavy infantry and may rapid fire along with the bolters, and is quite capable of taking out light vehicles. Since CSM have a 3+ Armour Save, the Gets Hot! shouldn't be that great a problem.

I still think Bikers are better than raptors, though.

Plasma and melta perform very different objectives and with CSM it is more efficent to focus fire with your troops. Do that instead!

Meltas on raptors, champions with Power fists and IOCG on all groups, drop something. How will you deal with hordes?

I think you should keep Meltagun x 2 on all the CSM
Give them all IoCG.

I would increase your raptor squads if you really want to use them
x7 Chaos Raptors, x2 Meltagun (Is what I would use as a really fast striking fear factor type squad.)

It can reinforce any of the CSM squads if they're getting into assault range, and they can usually hide pretty well for a round or two until they're needed.

If your worried about lists that outnumber you, just replace some of the CSM meltaguns for Flamers.

I would drop a HVY choice and max out your Troop choice with more CSM, or get some humble havoks instead.

Also why not try only one Lash Prince, and get just Wings+Warptime on the other, its still only 155 points, and you don't find enough use for duel lashes sometimes, plus 20 points to make your MC winged, that's a steal.

Overall I like the list, the obliterators were always a go big or go home with me. They rarely made their points back (for me at least) And Vindicator with poss. was exactly the same, it always seemed to get weapon destroyed result before it got close enough for a nice blast.

Personally, I'd give the CSM Mark of Tzeentch instead of Mark of Khorne.

If you want melee fighters get Berzerkers

I just understood that both your DPs already have wings factored into their total price..... I still wouldn't recommend two of them though it is nice knowing that the lash effect will be available probably the entire game.

Thank you for your help! I was actually considering taking Kharn instead of one of the princes.

Havocs are my personal favorite, but obliterators are slightly more shooty, so I'll stick with them. I'll factor in IOCG now ^.^

My HQ choices right now are also a Daemon Prince with wings and Kharn

Kharn works wonders until I get unlucky with the dice and butcher my own troops, but oh well

If you're using Kharne I've always seen people make great use of him stacked with a group of Possessed Chaos Marines, You can give them Icon for only 5 points. And they're invuln save lets em take the kharne beating up a little nicer.

Oh well, tis' the will of the bloodgod!!!!!!!

Looks I've gotta buy the Kharne Model now.