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The title says it all really.
I don't want to go for Vanilla marines so can I have help from all the BT and DA players for the benefits of each armies.

Thanks,
Tyranid Horde

DA is pretty weak. BT is still competitive. Both have dramatically different flavors, though.

Both codices are outdated but the DA codex if way broken (most of the gamers I know complain about it)

The BT codex still works fairly well in 5th edition.

As an aside you should keep in mind that although both are marines their play style is completely different.

BT are more CC oriented (even though it is possible to make gunline army), while with DA you have the ravenwing and deathwing.

I'd say choose the army you like the most (looks and fluff).
I rather paint and play with an army I like, even if I lose, than with a winning army which means nothing to me.

By Broken, Krauser [should] actually means bad/rubbish.

I think the beases have been overed by Melissia and Krauser, they both are quite radically different in game:
One is CC whilst the other is ranged.
One is fairly competitive, one isn't.

And in terms of their fluff they're radically different too. Really it's completely up to you.

Well, I'm just looking for a fun army that I can play with my friends, so I'm not going to any competitions any time soon.


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With DA, I like the Terminators as troops but with BT, I like the Emporer's champion.

Just Dave wrote:By Broken, Krauser [should] actually means bad/rubbish.

That's what they are, but I didn't want to be nasty
DA has the be the worst codex, regarding space marines, GW has in production.

Tyranid Horde wrote:Well, I'm just looking for a fun army that I can play with my friends, so I'm not going to any competitions any time soon.


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With DA, I like the Terminators as troops but with BT, I like the Emporer's champion.

Its nice to have terminators as troops on the paper, on the table you'll be handicapped every game, even against DH.

Plus, the BT assault terminators are the best current terminator squad in the game (4 PoLC + 2 TH + SS and the AAC vow in a LRC = PWNAGE)
Also with BT you can spam LRC as they can be taken as dedicated transport for both terminators and Crusader squads.
And even though it isn't very realiable on the tournament scene the black tide is fun to play with "well done you just killed 1 of 20 marines in the squad, and guess what, not I get to move the squad D6 inches"

On the bad side of things our SS are worst than vanilla marines, our special characters, Helbrech and Grimaldus, are very outdated (yeah, our chapter master isn't an eternal warrior and even though he commands one uber battle barge he can't even use a toilet flush as orbital bombardment).
Not that we have a need to use the special characters as our marshals can be geared to dish out a lot of pain.

I could go on rambling about BT, but I'd just be tipping the scale towards BT.

As for DA...well, I have nothing nice to say about them. As far as I was told one of the best lists you can make with them is a ravenwing list with Belial, and still, it wouldn't be that great.


Just try to read some of the background on both chapters and choose which one appeals you the most (as you want an army for friendly games)

There really needs to be a "neither" option for this poll. Dark Angels are bland and inferior to Codex Marines in every single way, except taking Terminators as troops. Black Templars also have a poor track record, but at least they have some entertaining options, and one or two really amazing units.

I'd say Black Templars, since they're a bit better and further from codex Marines than Dark Angels are.

Brother SRM wrote:There really needs to be a "neither" option for this poll.

There doesn't, but seeing as I'm going to GW tomorrow I'll go for BT.

I personally prefer the fluff and tactics of BT, but the look of DA, to the point of cannibalizing DA veteran sets to make my Sternguard and Vanguard squads (DIY chapter, vanilla rules).

However, in a one-on-one showdown, a stylistic "clash of the ages," I'd bet on BT anyday.

So, BT.

Or do a variation of what I did. Use DA models but BT rules, your own color scheme, and call it something new and exciting. You CAN do that, you know.

Well my chapter is called the the 'Sons of Ignatius' still working on it though. The reason I was dragged to DA was the Ravenwing battleforce but I'm going to get it anyway, (sometime).

Well, if you buy the BT upgrade box you'll get marines that look way better than DA (even though I have to admit I have a soft spot for the DA robbed figures as well)

And if the only thing tipping you towards DA was the terminators you could paint your BT termies white and later on you could use them as Deathwing.

None of them.
They were written in the 4th ed. and so are a bit outdated,
especially the DA codex,
with rules for storm shield and cyclone that are different from the ones in the 5th ed SM codex.

wuestenfux wrote:
with rules for storm shield and cyclone that are different from the ones in the 5th ed SM codex.

True, but BT also have 4th ed. smoke launchers
and we can still give our termies veteran skills and make those cheap speed bumps of 5 marines with a heavy weapon and a special weapon (good luck doing that with vanilla marines)