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So it's no secret that Stormtroopers pay a bit much for their abilities, and are overshadowed by IG vets. I'm going to try and make Stormtroopers just a little less crappy for their points, as much as I love them.

- Stormtroopers are assault troops, meant to move up, shoot, and close for assault if need be. Making the Hellguns assault 2 18" instead of rapid fire would help this. It would also encourage them to stay on the move, rather than sit in cover once they drop in.
- To encourage mobility, I think a "Stormtrooper move" like the German Stormtroopers have in Flames of War would be pretty cool. Having them run 2D6 taking the high die rather than 1d6 could work for this - I wouldn't want to give them some kind of broken rule where they could run after shooting or run and shoot. Fleet might also be a good rule for them.
- Given the discipline Stormtroopers are meant to have, letting them auto-pass any orders given to them would make sense. "From His Mouth to my Ears."

These are a few minor changes that wouldn't overpower Stormtroopers, but would make them a little better for the points. I usually avoid this section of the forum like the plague, but I wanted to know what you guys thought!

Well, as another raging Stormie fan-boi you're unlikely to get a fair opinion from me, but-I like it. I would go with the 2d6 running plan over fleet (they need to be peak human fast, not Eldar fast), and the orders idea is brilliant if it ever came into effect, as Stormtroopers most often end up out of command radius anyway.

(By Hellguns I assume you meant Hotshots-I know the models are armed with Hellguns, but...yeah)

I do like your running idea, though I'm typically either outflanking them in a chimera or deepstriking them, so there are typically plenty of targets around. Honestly, I'd settle for them being WS 4 and LD8/LD9 for the sarge. They're the best of the best, you'd think they'd be able to keep it together.

I'd only want two things for them.

1. Being able to issue them orders, either by allowing them at extended ranges, or let them give themselves orders a la Bostonne's veterans.

2. Let them benefit from FRFSRF.

I'd be pretty happy with them then.

Jack

Running sounds like a good option and I like An Assault 2 hotshot/hellgun.

Sounds good from me.

You've got my support.

Yeah, I like the assault hellguns. I was kind of dissappointed that they didn't get that with the codex update.

As for the storm troopers being more stormtrooperey... The point of actual stormtroopers is that they ignore enemy units and pass by them unseen, only to appear in random places where the enemy would least like them to be.

As such, I think they should arrive on the board the same way as Marbo does.

You've got my support too. Also I'm in favor of changing the name back to Hellguns as well. Hot-Shot Lasguns just sounds poop goofy.

i like it

the name "hot-shot lasgun" is slowed. Maybe, "something"-Hellgun, or Hellgun MK 3 or something.. louzy Robin Cruddace and his miserable Tyranid/guard explanations and names for everything.. grumble grumble.

don't diss a robin, dark..

as for the name, howabout

hellfire lasguns?


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on second thought, otherweapons get hellfire rounds, so what about slag thrower?

or maybe ARX .600 Focussed point las weapon. :]

I always thought that we never lost our hellguns, but instead of standard hellgun powerpacks they were quited with hot-shot lasgun packs because the hellgun had a stronger barrel allowing the use of the ammunition type over protracted periods...

I think I need to lay downafter that.

Captain Solon wrote:


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on second thought, otherweapons get hellfire rounds, so what about slag thrower?

or maybe ARX .600 Focussed point las weapon. :]

How about no?

Vladsimpaler wrote:

Captain Solon wrote:


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on second thought, otherweapons get hellfire rounds, so what about slag thrower?

or maybe ARX .600 Focussed point las weapon. :]

How about no?

That was rude.
Instead of saying why you didn't like them, you just stated that you don't like them and implied that they're bad ideas. Bad troll.

Anyway, Hot-shot lasguns are hellguns with a souped-up lasgun charge.

IMO, Stormtroopers should cost less for what they give you.. I mean, 100-130pts is about right for 10 guys if you think about it.