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I've got a large number of those genestealers from the Macragge set. If you don't have them, you wouldn't know, but, their arms are way too long and the are unmovable. The probably stick out at least an inch from the model.

So, I was in a match the other day, and my opponent says that my genestealers aren't in coherency because the bases aren't close enough.....*hufff*

What would you say about this? Are my genestealers in coherency (even though their arms are huge and they can't be close together in anyway without touching)?

The bases only have to be 2" away from other bases just line them up in this fashion?
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Well, yes. That was the problem. With their arms sticking so far out, they weren't within two inches of each other.

Turn them so they all face different directions. Also, don't play against this person.

Models in a squad have to be within 2 inches of one another. Those arms aren't that long, its quite possible to keep them in squad coherency.

The other person sounds well within his rights.

Yeah. Okay,thanks.

If he insists on coherency only using bases, make sure only bases apply to checking hits from templates and blast weapons. Can't have it both ways, after all.

forkbanger wrote:If he insists on coherency only using bases, make sure only bases apply to checking hits from templates and blast weapons. Can't have it both ways, after all.

Thats how you do it- from the base. templates and blasts only hit if they cover any part of the base, not model. Same with coherency, range for orders, measuring charges...

Are you measuring 2" from center to center? I've got those genestealers (or maybe I had them... anyway) and they work fine when measuring 2" from edge to edge of the base.

forkbanger wrote:If he insists on coherency only using bases, make sure only bases apply to checking hits from templates and blast weapons. Can't have it both ways, after all.

You do realise that for non vehicles, the model is essentially ignored for range and template/marker purposes? You're meant to do what you say to the base anyway.

Slackermagee wrote:Are you measuring 2" from center to center? I've got those genestealers (or maybe I had them... anyway) and they work fine when measuring 2" from edge to edge of the base.

I have a feeling his is is measuring center to center as well. You measure Edge to Edge ofc.

Yup. But if his opponent is unwilling to give any leeway with regard to models that are badly proportioned, he needs to be consistent about it.

No trying to sneak extra hits or center blasts off-centre, or try to squeeze extra guys into engagement range in an assault.

Yes, measuring center to center.Edge to edge makes the coherent. That's not a problem at all.

I guess that's what he meant. I was tired as hell, I was too lazy to argue with him. It was more of a "Suresure,whatever....*clumps models together*" sort of thing. I won anyway, so it wasn't a do-or die discussion

forkbanger wrote:No trying to sneak extra hits or center blasts off-centre, or try to squeeze extra guys into engagement range in an assault.

You do realise you can legally put blasts off center as well? You just have to have the hole entirely over the base.

For 25mm models this isn't a big deal, but it can make a lot of difference for 60mm models.

Samus_aran115 wrote:Yes, measuring center to center.

Well, don't do that then...

Measurement is always from the edge of the base.

Gwar! wrote:You do realise you can legally put blasts off center as well? You just have to have the hole entirely over the base.

Yes, but you can't put it over the body of a hormagaunt that's leaping forward from it's base - or a lunging genestealer.

Who cares?

Bookwrack wrote:Who cares?

Obviously several people in this thread.

forkbanger wrote:If he insists on coherency only using bases, make sure only bases apply to checking hits from templates and blast weapons. Can't have it both ways, after all.

...How else would you do it?

Slackermagee wrote:Are you measuring 2" from center to center?

If you are, or were, or he's expecting you to, just remember: This isn't Battlefleet Gothic.

forkbanger wrote:

Gwar! wrote:You do realise you can legally put blasts off center as well? You just have to have the hole entirely over the base.

Yes, but you can't put it over the body of a hormagaunt that's leaping forward from it's base - or a lunging genestealer.

You never could.

Pika_power wrote:

forkbanger wrote:

Gwar! wrote:You do realise you can legally put blasts off center as well? You just have to have the hole entirely over the base.

Yes, but you can't put it over the body of a hormagaunt that's leaping forward from it's base - or a lunging genestealer.

You never could.

Yea the base is the model for anything but TLOS purpoces (blasts, coherency, area effect abilities, etc.).

If you beat him that badley I would assume that he was just whinning. Some people take whatever victory they can get even if it's a petty argument like what part of the base to measure to.

Shovan wrote:

Bookwrack wrote:Who cares?

Obviously several people in this thread.

I rather doubt that - at least inasmuch as it has any relevance to the discussion. Forkbanger was the only one talking about it, although now we have people telling him it's simply wrong.