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HQ:

Warboss-bike,PK,cybork body,attack squig

Big Mek-KFF


Elite:

15 Lootas

15 Lootas

15 Tankbustas-Nob,bosspole,2 tankhammers,3 attack squigs


Troops:

5 Bikers-painboy,bosspole,PK,BC,cybork bodies,waaagh! banner.

20 Shoota Boys-Nob,PK,bosspole

20 Shoota Boys-Nob,PK,bosspole


Heavy:

Battewagon,deffrolla,big shoota,grabbin klaw,boardin plank,armor plates

Battewagon,deffrolla,big shoota,grabbin klaw,boardin plank,armor plates

Battewagon,deffrolla,big shoota,grabbin klaw,boardin plank,armor plates



New list

Added Nob Bikers and but the boss on a bike as well. The anti tank got better I think, without the rest of the list taking a serious hit. OR am I wrong?

Nothing terribly wrong with the list, save that I strongly advise to give the Warboss a bosspole when paired with the meganobz. It will allow them to avoid running away when they lose two of their numbers. I would also mix in some combi weapons to give them better wound allocation.

I would also strongly advocate removing the meganobz in order to give yourself those suicide koptas, which will definately be needed at the 1850 level.

I will say this, I love megaz, but not unless they have Grotsnik for FNP/Cybork bodies. With 2+ and on invuln they die very quickly to elite style combat troops which they'll probably spend most of their time entangled with if your opponent is worth their salt. LC termies specifically will give you a one round what-for.

I would advise this list using normal nobs, maybe 1-2 PKs, Combi-skorchas, and just big choppas and a painboy.

The meganobz are there mostly since they're the cheapest way to get another wagon.

How about this?


Mad Dok Grotsnik
KFF Mek-PK


15 Lootas
15 Lootas
5 Meganobz-Cybork Bodies,Battlewagon,armor plates,deffrolla,big shoota,grabbin klaw,boardin plank.

20 Boys-Nob,PK,bosspole
20 Boys-Nob,PK,bosspole
10 Gretchin-runtherd

Deffkopta-Buzzsaw,rokkits
Deffkopta-Buzzsaw,rokkits

Battlewagon,armor plates,deffrolla,big shoota,grabbin klaw,boardin plank
Battlewagon,armor plates,deffrolla,big shoota,grabbin klaw,boardin plank

1 less wagon,but any better?

It could work. I've seen Grotsnik/Megas really put out the pain, but the thing with lootas in a Mech list in the kind of numbers you are is always a gamble. I'd really think about it. You want to use their range and take advantage of cover so they're effective, but that means it puts them out of range of lots of anti-infantry direct fire and that means the opponent is looking down the barrel of a battlewagon rush it has to stop or waste heavy fire on some backboard S7 shots.

The real reason you can't take a 4th wagon AND have more deffkoptas is the lootas in such prolific numbers. I'd bring two squads of 5 or maybe one 5 and one large squad and try to fit in 4 wagons or 3 wagons and a 3 koptas maybe?

Just keep in mind too that your Lootas are also going to be less effective in games where terrain and enemies going second may neutralize the Lootas.

Just something to kinsider.

I just had a new plan, and have updated the original list.

Tankabustas?

*hart attak!*

Nob bikers gets a thumbs up from me.

Would add another PK to them though. One ain't enuff.

And tern dos Tankabustas inta burna boyz.

And wer are de deff koptas?

I could have Burnas, If you think the Lootas are enought to destroy transports, as for the Deffkoptas, too much points to fit them in.

Can get the second PK if I take Burnas instead.

Snikkyd wrote:I could have Burnas, If you think the Lootas are enought to destroy transports, as for the Deffkoptas, too much points to fit them in.

Can get the second PK if I take Burnas instead.

Argh I'm sorry but this was just too much.

"I could have (take/select/choose) burnas, If (if) you think the Lootas are enought (enough) to destroy transports, (.) as (As) for the Deffkoptas, too much (many) points to fit them in.

Can (I) get (take/select/choose/pick (again)) the second PK if I take Burnas instead. (?)

It's a bit atypical and I'm having some difficulty seeing how the Nob Bikers will be really utilized. They seem to be the only unit rushing to get into assault. I see fair amounts of shooting but I'd realistically expect the Nob Bikers to get shot to pieces as a priority target (that's likely what I'd target first).

Not saying it's a bad list. Just trying to figure out how it all works together. Ironically, the Ork army is one of those armies that reallly need synergy.

Nob bikers represent a wild card. They present a priority target other than the battlewagons, and are a decent retinue like unit for the Warboss.

How it would fit into this list:

They are faster than the rest of the list- this is true.

But because they are fast does not mean that they are going to zip foward unsupported.

The OP needs to throw in some suicide Deffkoptas into the list as distraction units. Bogging down the opponent is critical and denying them mobility is key.

They are hard hitters as well, and a PK toting Biker boss with Nob bikers can split into two units and hit two different targets.

Their downside is small size and fragility versus S8, AP2 shooting.

I would prefer a second unit of bikers with the first one. But I would not discount nob bikers from a mechanized list either.

What would also be good is a nob battlewagon.

Double Post!
(^)< Quack quack quack~!


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Hmm double post dissappear... lol

Yeah Nob Bikers - Don't forget their 3+ Cover 24" - Your opponent should have two turns tops before they are in assault after assault after...

ChrisCP wrote:

Snikkyd wrote:I could have Burnas, If you think the Lootas are enought to destroy transports, as for the Deffkoptas, too much points to fit them in.

Can get the second PK if I take Burnas instead.

Argh I'm sorry but this was just too much.

"I could have (take/select/choose) burnas, If (if) you think the Lootas are enought (enough) to destroy transports, (.) as (As) for the Deffkoptas, too much (many) points to fit them in.

Can (I) get (take/select/choose/pick (again)) the second PK if I take Burnas instead. (?)

Sorry, I'm not very good at typing.



Also, What exactly would you guys change. The new list is 2000, but how can I get more synergy? As in, what units should I add, and what should I take out.

Snikkyd wrote:
Sorry, I'm not very good at typing.

Also, What exactly would you guys change. The new list is 2000, but how can I get more synergy? As in, what units should I add, and what should I take out.

Sorry for snapping it was such a bad laguange day

I prefrerr the second list.
I'd consider switching out a DK however or not running two just to bolster your gretchin a little. ten is tiny even for gretchin.
Considering the Megas - I don't like them <3
I like these guys >> 5x Nobz/CB/Pain, PK, BC, BP, Waagh – 185

Saved points could be used to give cybork to a unit of something maybe?
But having 25 Pk attacks is pretty boss too

Well I could drop the Lootas down to 5 man squads and max out the Nob Bikers. I'd use this unit I think.

1.Painboy
2.Waaagh! banner
3.PK
4.PK,bosspole
5-10.Big choppas

Cybork bodies.

Not fully diversified, but I dont think its really that important.


Is it worth losing 20 Lootas to take these guys?

I was thinking like so

1850
Mad Dok Grotsnik - 160
KFF Mek-PK - 115 - CYBORKED

10 Lootas - 200 - CYBORKED
10 Lootas - 200 - CYBORKED
5x Nobz/CB/Pain, PK, BC, BP, Waagh – 185
Battlewagon DR AP GR BP BS - 140

20 Boys-Nob,PK,bosspole - 165
20 Boys-Nob,PK,bosspole - 165
10 Gretchin-runtherd - 90 - CYBORKED

Deffkopta-Buzzsaw,rokkits - 75 - CYBORKED
Deffkopta-Buzzsaw,rokkits - 75 - CYBORKED

Battlewagon DR AP GR BP BS - 140
Battlewagon DR AP GR BP BS - 140