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As topic saided.

Well, in the sense that worlds are constantly being lost to and regained from Orks, tau, Chaos, rebellion, etc. etc. Yes, they do.
In regards to exploration and first conquest, almost certainly. The galaxy is a BIG. Too big for humans to truly comprehend, with with worlds constantly being cut off and recontacted via Warp storms or jsut being forgotten.

Yes.

Or they retake worlds.

Mostly they war over worlds in attempts to take either A: Maiden worlds from the Eldar; or B: Sept worlds from the Tau.

Chaos fights tend to be on established Human worlds.
Ork Fights the same.
Dark Eldar Raids the same.
Necrons Usually come up from the ground after centuries(to millenia) of domancy.
Tyranids leave nothing behind on the planets they finish eating.

Yes, they try. Mostly they fail miserably, but... they try.

Zed wrote:Yes, they try. Mostly they fail miserably, but... they try.

Says a representative of 13 Fail Crusades

The Imperium is becoming a bit like the Eldar, the world was most likely theirs at one point.
The administratum eventually figures out that taxes are in arrears for a couple thousand years and sends out a couple hundred thousand troops to collect.
The thought being they have rebelled, been invaded or gone back to the stone age. Either way, they need a beating to remind them who they owe allegiance to.

OR the munitorum wonders where the tithe of troops/equipment are and owing for the last couple thousand years and the same process occurs.

Think of it as a really absent minded loan shark, they may not always remember you but when they do; they charge compound (fracture) interest.

Oh yeah, the great crusade is still on, it's just slowed (which you might expect when 100% of alien life forms are against you, and you pick up more new ones as you expand out). There are still lots of worlds explored and colonized that have fallen out with the imperium over time that are picked back up.

Plus, it's a lot easier for the imperium to establish political control over a planet full of humans than a planet full of orks. The former of which are going to be net useful after the effort (congradulations, you're now a forge world!)

I think the only reason you don't see a whole lot of fluff about it is that it only involves the imperium and itself, rather than the imperium and other armies that other people play.

Again, agreeing with everyone else, yes.

There are dozens of crusades going on at any given time, and hundreds of wars.

But while they take a lot of worlds, they lose a lot too.

The Imperiums big problem is they have reached an entropic tipping point, that is, they take as many worlds as they lose. They have stagnated and are no longer moving forwards, and it is very possible they will soon be shrinking. That isn't to say they won't still be capturing worlds, but that they will be losing worlds faster than they can capture them.

The Sabbat Crusades are still underway, however that is more of a 'recovery' of lost worlds than new conquests. Explorator Fleets still abound, so yeah the Imperium does expand. For every world gained they lose another one elsewhere, so it's sort of give and take.

The Imperium gains and loses a couple worlds everyday.
Not just by war either. The can gain by settling newly explored habitable ones and hilariously enough lose them by Administratum clerical errors!

Does the current fluff still have Rogue Traders?

Actually, if you look at the Sabbat Worlds Crusade I think it is done. I think if memory serves me right that crusade is written in retrospect as opposed to being along the current timeline.

Hmmm. There was a book on the actual tactical view of the Sabbat Crusade (remember, there were two, one by Sabbat and a second where Guants Ghosts are based). I'm not sure if the Crusades were finished or still underway.

Generalstoner wrote:Actually, if you look at the Sabbat Worlds Crusade I think it is done. I think if memory serves me right that crusade is written in retrospect as opposed to being along the current timeline.

It was 20 years into the Crusade which has now been passed by by Gaunt's Ghosts.

The Sabbat Worlds Crusade was quite recent. Similarly, there's a couple crusades doing on at the edge of the Calixis Sector, and there's always new attempts to colonize the Koronus Expanse.

And keep in mind-- the Adeptus Mechanicus has an entire section of its organization dedicated to this very thing-- the Explorators.


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Baconfat wrote:Does the current fluff still have Rogue Traders?

Yep.

The 40,700s

755.M41 is when they began to be more precise, according to the IG Codex. Campaigns undertaken by the Imperium have been know to last longer than a meagre 2 centuries. However, Commissar Guant would have to be at least over 250 years old to still be kicking. Quite a feat, truth be told.

That said, it is quite clear that the Sabbat Crusades are in fact a Reclamation of old territory lost to chaos, not a new discovery. I think the last extensive expansion into new worlds was the Macharian Conquests over 700 years before.

That we know of anyway.

There are the numerous explorator fleets to consider of course, but their is little sign of the Imperium making any considerable expansion outside Pre-Heresy borders.

Agreed. Crusades are constantly ongoing, but I think that we can discount the bloody rounding errors as 'losing' a planet. Cause....it still makes stuff, and has Emperor worshiping humans, so I think that counts as an Imperial world, even if the Adminstratum doesn't remember them. I'm willing to bet that once the planet does something that managed to get an Inquisitor's attention they will be remembered very, VERY quickly.

Additionally, I don't think the Imperium's collapse is because it's starting to lose more worlds than it gains. I think the end of the Imperium will occur as a result of one event or so at the Imperium's heart. Either the Emperor dies, cause the Golden Throne is failing, or the Dragon wakes up and a zillion Necrons come out of Mars to vape Terra. In my opinion, that's the way the end of the Imperium (or its rebirth if the Emperor comes back somehow! ) will happen.

Of course, we'll never find out cause if the Imperium collapse, they can't sell IG or SM models anymore.

Tyranid eat everybody.

ChrisWWII wrote:Agreed. Crusades are constantly ongoing, but I think that we can discount the bloody rounding errors as 'losing' a planet. Cause....it still makes stuff, and has Emperor worshiping humans, so I think that counts as an Imperial world, even if the Adminstratum doesn't remember them. I'm willing to bet that once the planet does something that managed to get an Inquisitor's attention they will be remembered very, VERY quickly.

Additionally, I don't think the Imperium's collapse is because it's starting to lose more worlds than it gains. I think the end of the Imperium will occur as a result of one event or so at the Imperium's heart. Either the Emperor dies, cause the Golden Throne is failing, or the Dragon wakes up and a zillion Necrons come out of Mars to vape Terra. In my opinion, that's the way the end of the Imperium (or its rebirth if the Emperor comes back somehow! ) will happen.

Of course, we'll never find out cause if the Imperium collapse, they can't sell IG or SM models anymore.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/304048.page#1730168

Emperor's Faithful: I don't really get your point by linking me to that thread......I may just be an idiot, but I really don't see the relevance....

Just the whole timeline issue thing, nevermind.

Yes, they do.

Hah, void dragon waking up? If it happened, the emperor would wake up from his nap, and bitchslap the void dragon again right back into his dark hole, and go back to sleep lol.

It depends on what's on the planet. but the key phrase is mankind is besieged on all sides. I would imagine they would have to be on the defensive unless there was something on another planet that requires immediate attention. But this is my opinion anyway.