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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/07/03 19:21:12
Subject: wood elves 2500 8th ed list
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Ok so, I'm new to dakka, and with 8th ed looking promising, I'm breaking out the woodelves
I generally like to field my forest dragon highborn, so I'm basing the army around being fast, maneuverable and hard hitting
aiming for about a 2500 pt list.
Lords
Highborn on Forest Dragon-571 (I like this load, it is suited to hero hunting/ flank support)
Annoyance of nettlings
spirit sword
meciw's locus
light armour
shield
Heros
Spellsinger-207 (joins the wild riders)
wraithstone
Glamourweave kindred
elven steed
level 2
spellsinger- 115 (joins the wardancers)
calaingor's stave
level 1
Noble- 160 (with waywatchers)
callach's claw
Resplendence of luminescents
waywatcher kindred
Branchwraith- 105 (with Dryads)
cluster of radiants
befuddlement of mischiefs
Core
2x Glade riders-171
6 models
standard bearer
musician
Dryads- 252
20 models
branchnymph
Glade Guard- 258
20 models
standard bearer
musician
Special
wardancers- 180 (I could add more if needed)
10 models
Wild Riders- 166
5 models
standard bearer
wild hunter
Rare
Waywatchers-144
6 models
this is a modified list for 8th ed, from my old 2000 pt all skirmisher/fastcalvary/flyer list
feed back would be great
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/07/03 23:33:39
Subject: wood elves 2500 8th ed list
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Dankhold Troggoth
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More wood elves, awesome
I'm a little concerned about the lore of athel loren- moving forests doesn't matter too much anymore, since units can walk right through them with no/few penalties, unlike before. I think the points dedicated to casters would be better used getting more units- with the exception of the branchwraith, which I would keep for cluster of radiants.
For my wood elves, I'm going to use the bound tree-singing spells on the treemen for magic. It's not much, but it's basically free, and you can't miscast!
If you weren't going with the dragon, I'd suggest a level 4 caster to get access to the rulebook lores. They're good, and lore of life is one of the stronger ones!
Will add more later after I've had a chance to think about the list
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/07/04 03:00:38
Subject: wood elves 2500 8th ed list
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Thanks, I could drop the level 1, but I'd like to keep the level 2 for the wraithstone, trying to give the enemy as many negative modifiers to their leadership as possible
I'll see what I can squish in and post a revised list
looking forward to more great feedback
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/07/04 04:57:01
Subject: wood elves 2500 8th ed list
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Fierce Foe-Render
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Dryads are a pain to move around now with the new skirmish formations.
Are you planning on running the glade guard 2x10? If not, split them into 2 units so you can get all of the bowshots.
I think you have too many points in characters. The new rules play strongly into fast cav for mobility and fire. And glade guard just rock with 2 ranks of fire and no moving and shooting penalties. I would add more of each.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/07/04 05:45:44
Subject: wood elves 2500 8th ed list
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Dankhold Troggoth
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Another thought on the list is that it doesn't seem very "focused". I'm not an all-around list kind of guy, so I can't objectively say, but to me this list is a jack-of-all-trades, master-of-none kind of setup. You've got a few combat units, a few harrassing units, a few shooty units, various heroes/mages , and a big dragon... but you're not overwhelming in anything, and the dragon's a lot weaker in this edition if he's acting alone.
I think the above is a good point- glade guard especially, but also glade riders, can be really good in 8th edition. I think you need more of them. I'd also consider splitting the dryads- they're not getting the benefit of having that many numbers in a single unit, since they're skirmishers.
You have a lot of points in heroes, and just not that many models overall. I would see about getting stronger in one, or possibly two, phases of the game (shooting should definitely be one of them!) at the expense of your other phases.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/07/05 00:19:31
Subject: wood elves 2500 8th ed list
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Fresh-Faced New User
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so ditch some heroes and take more glade riders and guard?
I can do that  just found more models from old boxes
so for heroes (less focus on magic)
-Dragon Highborn
-way watcher noble
-branch wraith (Level 1?)
and then take 1 more glade guard, and 1 more glade riders
The large unit of dryads I use(d) more as a defensive unit that can take a charge, and help anchor a counter charge...
(before I use to play a list that focused on movement and the slow wearing down of the enemy, trapping him with trees, running out of his charge arcs, etc. and so I actually didn't have ANY glade guard. so now that 8th ed is out and people are fielding hoards with lots of attacks, I feel that perhaps glade guard are a better base, despite some lack of maneuverability. So perhaps I wont need the large group of models to draw in opponents, so split I shall! :] )
By doing this I suppose I am ditching my magic and going for shooty/movey/be able to counter charge?
anyways thanks again for the feed back
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/07/05 06:40:59
Subject: wood elves 2500 8th ed list
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Fierce Foe-Render
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I take no magic with my wood elves, or with my Beastmen or empire. The fact is, tree singing is pretty much pointless now and we get the same number of dispel dice regardless of having wizards or not, unless you take the branch wraith with the cluster. I would probably take a spellsinger with the Divination orb instead. I would say in the long run it would be more effective because people will be throwing more dice at spells.
Let me know how the Dragon works out, I won one in a tournament a year ago and haven't used him yet.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/07/06 00:56:19
Subject: Re:wood elves 2500 8th ed list
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Elusive Dryad
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Here is hoping a magical piece of paper appears telling us spellsingers don't actually suck in 8th. (so glad my usual opponents just let me use beast and life on them till 8th is officially out.)
I definatly agree with the divination orb spellsinger.
Glade Riders I'm still not sure about. Some games they have been decent, however in the other games they are more a decoration than unit. It is nice to get behind the opponent quickly to annoy them, but they don't hit very hard. I have had my best luck with them as a single unit of 10-12 (5-6x2).
The same can be said of your waywatchers. Great for annoying the enemy, marching around on their heels shooting the crap out of them; but with only 6 unless you roll more 6s than god they just won't kill enough of anything to be worth it.
I would add atleast a couple more wardancers. most units are atleast 5 wide so you can be 7 wide and get your full attacks at 2 ranks. Also you get to strike first most of the time.
If you are sticking a mage with the wild riders, have a think about a unicorn. it essentially gives the mage decent additional damage to the unit when charging. Also it gives the mage an additional wound.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/07/06 04:12:25
Subject: wood elves 2500 8th ed list
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Dankhold Troggoth
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I thought a unicorn mage could be targetted out of the unit in this edition (or at least doesn't get a "look out sir" for having a different base size than the unit he's with?)?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/07/06 04:25:26
Subject: Re:wood elves 2500 8th ed list
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Elusive Dryad
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I dunno, I haven't actually used a unicorn in about 12 years. I just think it is a decent choice now with it adding a wound to the mage and the magic resistance(2) giving the mage a ward save against magic. That along with its decent damage on the charge make it a resonable option as a mount. I primarily play 100% elf wood elves; I have only recently pulled out some of my 5th edition models to try out dryads and treeman.
Edit: I can't seem to find where base sizes are listed. Is it based on unit type in the WHFB main rulebook?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/07/06 07:32:56
Subject: Re:wood elves 2500 8th ed list
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I have yet to see the new book and I'm mainly jumping in to get some tips for my own WE army but here's my two cents anyway.
Would a BsB be worth it? I'm assuming skirmish/fast cav covers maneuverability in terms of reforms but re-rolling march tests would be pretty sweet. Also, seems like a great eagle or two would be nice to tie up any warmachines and the like or to get a clutch +1 or 2 combat res plus they get a stomp now right? In terms of magic stuff, I like Soup's idea of the divination orb, and I've always been a fan of Hail of Doom Arrows, especially on a Waywatcher Noble.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/07/06 08:30:13
Subject: Re:wood elves 2500 8th ed list
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Elusive Dryad
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I'm not a big fan of the BSB because positioning it ends up ruining a lot of movement. There isn't much of a unit to stick him in, and it is not like you can give him much in the way of a save. The new BSB rules are enticing but how often do you think your units are going to be within its range if you are using your wood elves well.
Great Eagles are a preference thing really. All the scouting and fast cav of a WE army gives you plenty of options for getting that "clutch +1 or 2 combat res" aswell as ridding yourself of pesky warmachines; and at T4 they are extremely easy to kill. That being said at only 50 points they aren't a bad choice. And while they do get stomp it is only a S4 impact certainly nothing to write home about.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/07/06 12:33:55
Subject: wood elves 2500 8th ed list
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Dankhold Troggoth
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Unicorns are on 50mm bases in the current wood elf army book, although I think they were on cavalry bases in the previous book. So this would mean (I think) that they would not get a "Look out sir!" when in a unit. It's hard to give them one, anyway, though- you have to have 5 normal wildriders (no champions) to get it, at least under 7th ed rules.
So when are we going to see a revised list?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/07/06 15:40:42
Subject: wood elves 2500 8th ed list
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Dusty Skeleton
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Not to take anything away from the original poster but I was thinking of starting a Wood Elf army with the new edition and was looking at something like this:
Wood Elf Highborn
--Wild Rider, Great Stag, Twilight Spear, Oaken Armor
Spellsinger
--Dispel Scroll
Wood Elf Nobel
--ABSB, Great Eagle, Bow of Loren
Wild Riders x8 w/ FC
6 x Treekin w/ Champ
6 x Treekin w/ Champ
20x Glade Guard w/ Musc
20 x Glade Guard w/ Musc
5 x Glade Riders w/ Musc
5 x Glade Riders w/ Musc
5 x Glade Riders w/ Musc
About 58 points over, not sure at this point where to shave the points from. Not sure how this'll work with 8th edition but the Kin should be boss and provide the core the army revolves around since Woodies don't have the rank and file that the edition concentrates on. Thoughts?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/07/06 17:11:24
Subject: wood elves 2500 8th ed list
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Dankhold Troggoth
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It looks good, but I'd make it's own thread for it  . Quite a nice list!! I do think dryads have a place in 8th edition as well, though, as they're still very killy. I'll comment more in a diff thread if you do start one
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/07/07 02:14:27
Subject: wood elves 2500 8th ed list
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Ok so I got part of a game in today... using half right, half forgotten rules
anyway this list was something like this
Highborn on dragon
-same stuff as before- 571
waywatcher noble
pretty much same as before- 164
Then trying to find extra points, added
spellsinger
level 2
glamourweave
divination orb
elven steed-182
core
2x glade guard (10) -138 (ish)
3xgladeriders (6) -171
2 dryads (10)-120
special
dancers (10)-180
wild riders(5)- forget, but with full upgrades
rare
waywatchers (9)-226
so Im going to drop the noble, make him just a standard waywatcher, boosting the squad up to 10
the core was't bad, didn't play long enough to really see them preform. maybe more glade guard.
to answer one of the above Qs (about the dragon)
I have always loved my dragon, and all his cheesy goodness  the load I run has a few weaknesses, namely magic and artillery. waywatchers are there for the artillery, which left magic as a bit of a problem. fortunately with 8th ed, magic isn't as frequently casted, and with even some magic defense I can most likely ward off any major attacks on him.
On the subject of the dragon, has anyone seen this load before?
-nettlings
-spirit sword
-merciw's locus
( challnge enemy characters, they hit you on 6's, no Strength bonuses. you hit on 3's or 4's (generally) wound instantly+ you have a dragon (stomps/flys/breath/normal attacks))
also, may drop the level 2, and just take a level 1 with divination orb
would a great eagle help this list
Thanks again for the feed back
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/07/07 03:54:07
Subject: Re:wood elves 2500 8th ed list
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Elusive Dryad
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I think making the mage lvl 1 is an allright option. Just don't forget you are losing +1 to your dispell attempts aswell. Don't forget the free 12" move that your fast cav get before the game. With being able to see through terrain this basicallys gets them as close to the enemy as scouts/waywatchers, but with a longer charge range. They are great at taking out artillery. I'm not sure you need a great eagle, 4 units of fast cav a dragon and waywatchers.... any of the bonuses of an eagle are well covered. and 50 points is 4 drayds thats 1 more t4 wound with 6 more attacks and some wardsaves. Personally I don't think the mage being glamourweave is a good choice. since that means it is either on its own or with the wild riders...
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