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So I am debating on building a loyalist Pre-heresy army, which one I am not sure yet. But I have a question... do you think that a successor chapter would have displayed their heraldry with that of their parent chapter pre-heresy. For example, do you think the portion of the Ultramarines that eventually broke off to become the Aurora Chapter displayed the Aurora Chapter markings as say its company markings?

Reason I ask is that I was thinking of incoporating it into whatever chapter I do to give them a bit of a unique feel.

Thoughts?

Before the 2nd Founding, the Successor Chapters didn't exist.

So no, I wouldn't think that they would have been using the same heraldry before the Heresy.

Although it is possible there were some loyalists who survived their chapter's betrayal, they likely were hunted down and either killed or driven into the Eye by the rest of the Imperium. Guilt by association and all that. Also, there's the factor that most of the chaos primarchs are still alive albiet currently as demons. They have a genetic relationship with all their SM progeny and I doubt any "loyalist" Marines could long resist that.

GOod point but I was thinking more along the lines of the 9 chapters that stayed totally loyal.

ugh. You forgot about the battle company stuck on istavan.
And not to mention that some space marines that remained loyal may of stayed in other systems to help with stabalizing the governments in place there.
Lets not forgot the 72 space marines of the Enistien. Except 3 died :O

Well, IIRC, the soul drinkers were a company that branched off nearly intact from the IF, and the BT used the black/white of the IF 1st company.

The Eisenstinians formed the Grey Knights... Or at least the Inquisition.

But the Soul Drinkers and The Black Templars didn't exist until a little after the second founding. Gulliman had to chase Dorn down and force him to break up his legion into the four chapters (the third being the current Imperial Fist chapter and the fourth being the Crimson Fists). The fact that they held on to some tradition is another matter.

Breotan wrote:Although it is possible there were some loyalists who survived their chapter's betrayal, they likely were hunted down and either killed or driven into the Eye by the rest of the Imperium. Guilt by association and all that. Also, there's the factor that most of the chaos primarchs are still alive albiet currently as demons. They have a genetic relationship with all their SM progeny and I doubt any "loyalist" Marines could long resist that.

The imperium is not known for their forgiveness or tolerance. I would agree with Breotans analysis

Generalstoner wrote:So I am debating on building a loyalist Pre-heresy army, which one I am not sure yet. But I have a question... do you think that a successor chapter would have displayed their heraldry with that of their parent chapter pre-heresy. For example, do you think the portion of the Ultramarines that eventually broke off to become the Aurora Chapter displayed the Aurora Chapter markings as say its company markings?

I think it's possible--perhaps in some cases the successor chapter's heraldry could be drawn from the personal heraldry of their first Chapter Master (from when he was a Captain in one of the Legions during/before the Heresy). I don't think the novels have said definitively either way, so no reason why not.

EDIT: For example, First Captain Sigismund of the Imperial Fists (first leader of the Black Templars) had the Templars' icon as his personal heraldry, so maybe some of his company used that icon as a company marking during that era.

Its a game its doesnt matter that much.

I think that successor chapters would have taken some form of heraldry with them from their companies

@ Magos Explorator gives a good example above.