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So, I've read another post on the matter, but I feel my idea is different to the other topic, so I will re-post it as a new threads. I beleive that's the correct thing to do.

Anyway, my idea is simple - sort of.

Firstly, I recognize a difference in heavy weapons.

there are two distinctions:

ones that spray out ammo, and therefore have a higher kickback then smaller weapons

ones that take time, preperation, and maybe take a while to reload.

So, I offer two situations:

For these weapons that would be considered slower, but more powerful (snipers, lascannong and missile launchers spring to mind.), which are generally heavy 1 or 2 be considered unable to move and shoot.

then for the chunkier suppresive fire weapons, (heavy bolters, assault cannons, maybe autocannons and the like) get a different situation:

Take your BS.

take six from that. (into negatives.)

add your strength.

now, assuming that we go no higher then original BS. (so a BS2 character always hits at BS 2 and this rule can not give him higher..), we hit at that ammount.

EXAMPLES:
A space marine w/ lascannon may not M&S.
A space marine w/ a heavy bolter, would get BS2. (4 - 6 + 4 = 2.)
An Ork with something Heavy 3 or higher would get no shots. (2 - 6 + 3 = -1)


Thoughts?

PS:

I've been thinking about it, and maybe I should drop is to - 5.

that way, tau eldar and guard get a word in edgeways.

I'm not a big fan of any more modifiers in 40k. GW moved on from that for 40k since 3rd ed.

Still, these are your rules......

if I had to change the rules I would go for

-1 BS for all heavies with the limit being BS2 (anything naturally BS2 would be hitting and hoping anyway).

And/or upgrade heavy weapon troopers to relentless? or slow and purposeful with a reasonable cost buff.

Personally I'm okay with the current rules as they are, standing still for most weapons is offset against weight of fire, type of destruction etc.

I actually really like this idea.

Eldar have no infantry wielding heavy weapons, apart from the launchers that Reapers carry. They are all mounted on hover platforms, or you get the reapers which really doesn't need anything at all in terms of efficiency reductions.

I agree with Mr Burning, I do not agree with 99% of major/minor rule modifiers.

But that aside, I don't even understand where he's getting with this.

Is it more shots according to strength or higher strength less shots?

grayspark wrote:I agree with Mr Burning, I do not agree with 99% of major/minor rule modifiers.

But that aside, I don't even understand where he's getting with this.

Is it more shots according to strength or higher strength less shots?

No it's losing 6 BS and then gaining some back due to strength but not exceeding original score.

CrazyThang wrote:

grayspark wrote:I agree with Mr Burning, I do not agree with 99% of major/minor rule modifiers.

But that aside, I don't even understand where he's getting with this.

Is it more shots according to strength or higher strength less shots?

No it's losing 6 BS and then gaining some back due to strength but not exceeding original score.

adding and subtracting but not exceeding, its a long winded way of looking at things especially in the post RPG'esque RT and 2nd ed 40k that we once knew and view with rose tinted specs.

Yeah, I'm just explaining it for gray

Oh! You're right!

I forgot.

relentless would be unaffected by this rule, or would always count as S6.

Under the original -6 rule Str 3 troops would have their BS reduced by 3, and Str 4 troops would have it reduced by 2.

It'd be much simpler to just say "Str 3 troops suffer -3 to their BS", "Str 4 troops suffer -2 to their BS".

There's also problems with the system as is, IG would be hitting on 7s. If you adjusted it to -5, then you'd have IG hitting on 6s, and SMs hitting on 4s.