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name possibilies:
Land raider orion
Land raider Mazda


Due to the conditions on their homeworld, the Sons of the emperor had often found long range weapons difficult to use, or simple unusable.

in an attempt to make up for this shortcoming, they devised a 'close assault' land raider that, in the place could be used to destroy large portions squads of infantry, and be formidable against enemy tanks as well.

As such, the pattern featured many improovements from previous versions, and combined the dangerous power of lascannons with the overwhelming weight of assault cannon fire.
however, with so much firepower, the vehicle sacrifices a large portion of it's infantry space, and as such can carry only a small squad.

The land raider was a trueley unique tank, and was manned by honoured tank commander secundus brutus.

Points: 500.
May be given to a command squad with any captain.
Composition:
1 tank (unique.)

BS5 AV 14 all round.

Wargear:

Two side sponson Twin-linked assault cannon
one front post twin linked assault cannon.
one turret mounted twin linked lascannon.

Special rules:
Secundus brutus
Power Of The Machine Spirit.
Assault vehicle
Snow storm pattern engines.

Secundus brutus:
Secundus brutus allows the squad to completely ignore all stunned and shaken results.

Snow storm pattern engines:
May re-roll failed dangerous terrain tests.

can only take 6 models, and can only take space marines in artificer armour or power armour. (no terminators.)

Upgrades:
add up to 2...
storm bolters... 10 pts ea.
hunter killer missiles... 10 pts ea.

May take...
cloaking device... 15 pts
frag assault launchers ... 30 pts

Playtesting:

well, what can I say. after ripping up 8 terminators a turn (average) this weapon really is able to take down some hefty numbers.

it can more then make up it's points, but it can be very vulnerable.

I feel that the tank might be better off if it could take something to make lances a lesser problem, but that would be to overpower it.

I like the model, photos will be comming up very soon, and the tank works cognitively in larger games.

dakka? does this get the approval I want it to have, or shall it crash and burn.

Let me be the first to say....

This is overpowered just abit.

Cool concept though, but really overpowered. It costs as much as a Baneblade, and is better in almost every way.

BB VS This:
Better BS
Better Av
Better Weapons
Can transport
Better Secondary Skills
Better Upgrades

Same Cost

I agree with Jp400 however a single broadside can eat this, need at least 3 to take down a baneblade.

I love it, it's unique and fairly priced. Well done.

Troop capacity 6 (6 terminator armour clad models. terminators do not benefit from the assault vehicle special rule)

It carries the standard amount of termies then..what transport capacity have you sacrificed?

Captain Solon wrote:
one front post twin linked assault cannon.

Where

Although I refuse to get involoved in overpowered debates I do not like the name, I think it should keep in the line of warrior/god names or somthing like the other LR's:
Crusader
Redeemer
Prometheus
Helios
Ares
Terminus Ultra

Lascannons on a close assault vehicle? Seems unnecessary. Overall it's pretty good though and jp seems to be forgetting a baneblade at least still has structure points.

Also: it carries the same amount of terminators as a standard lr yet only half the regular troops. This seems odd.

On second thought this is kinda wish listy: ASSAULT CANNONS HURR!!

Secundus Brutus is VERY good but that is obviously reflected in the cost.

Upgraded engines? a possibility

A named character+ associated unit -yep I can live with that.

Okay. I'll just get rid of the turret- mounted lascannon sound good?

Completely remove the transport capacity?
or maybe, it can only carry PA/AA infantry and scouts?

I was trying for a chronus but without the ability to get out of the tank should it die.

Thanks for the help guys. ideas will be edited in.



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jp400 wrote:BB VS This:
Better BS
Better Av
Better Weapons
Can transport
Better Secondary Skills
Better Upgrades

Same Cost

Sure!

Also, BB has structure points, can get a few more guns and can shoot a bit better.

refuse to change.
refuse to change
weakened.
no transport.
Can't say much here.
upgrades are stock standard.

Acardia wrote:I agree with Jp400 however a single broadside can eat this, need at least 3 to take down a baneblade.

Actually no, 1 Broadside can take down a Baneblade, if you're lucky enough to roll 3 Chain Reactions.


But regarding the Land Raider:-

What is a "front post mounting"?
BS5? Not needed as all weapons are twin-linked.
Secundus Brutus? Mazda Come on think of better names than those. Land Raider Olympia? Land Raider Infernum?
The Secundus Brutus makes no sense at all. The squad ignores shaken and stunned results?
I would suggest that the improved engines allow you to ignore difficult terrain as well.
Don't you think that there are already enough Land Raider variants? Godhammer, Crusader, Redeemer, Helios, Prometheus, Ares, Terminus Ultra. For 500 points, you're expecting this thing to go toe-to-toe with a Baneblade. I could take a Shadowsword for 50 fewer points. And I will win. Always.

The whole idea just needs a massive overhaul.

Seriously Solon, judging from your other proposed rules posts, you seem to be putting across the image of "I'm just going to put overpowered ideas on here because that's what people expect from me, isn't it fun?". I seriously suggest you to think deeply about the ideas before you post them, rather than just thinking something like "...Land Raider...Assault Cannons...Secundus...quick, to the Proposed Rules Forum!!!"

Valkyrie wrote:What is a "front post mounting"?
BS5? Not needed as all weapons are twin-linked.
Secundus Brutus? Mazda Come on think of better names than those. Land Raider Olympia? Land Raider Infernum?
The Secundus Brutus makes no sense at all. The squad ignores shaken and stunned results?
I would suggest that the improved engines allow you to ignore difficult terrain as well.
Don't you think that there are already enough Land Raider variants? Godhammer, Crusader, Redeemer, Helios, Prometheus, Ares, Terminus Ultra. For 500 points, you're expecting this thing to go toe-to-toe with a Baneblade. I could take a Shadowsword for 50 fewer points. And I will win. Always.

1. front post mounting was my problem. I don't know what you call the place where the assault cannon sits on other tanks.

2. Granted, I the BS 5 idea is kind of like BS chronus for ultramarines, Secundus brutus is pretty much a complete copy of chronus.

3. Secundus brutus is just a roman family name (secundus being second born) and mazda is a zoroastrian deity.

4. The secundus brutus idea is very much so chronus (who allows any tank he's with to gain his BS 5 and ignore Crew stunned and shaken results.)

5. really? I thought it was a bit OP my self.

6. you can never have too much choice. as it is, I can't get helios, Prometheus (isn't that simmilar to redeemer.) ares and I'm sure terminus ultra is just calgars tank. I never really expected it to go H2H against a BB, or even be considered in an apoc game. it's so pricey because of Secundus brutus and his BS 5. without him I'd play it 400 pts, maybe 425

Captain Solon wrote:

Valkyrie wrote:What is a "front post mounting"?
BS5? Not needed as all weapons are twin-linked.
Secundus Brutus? Mazda Come on think of better names than those. Land Raider Olympia? Land Raider Infernum?
The Secundus Brutus makes no sense at all. The squad ignores shaken and stunned results?
I would suggest that the improved engines allow you to ignore difficult terrain as well.
Don't you think that there are already enough Land Raider variants? Godhammer, Crusader, Redeemer, Helios, Prometheus, Ares, Terminus Ultra. For 500 points, you're expecting this thing to go toe-to-toe with a Baneblade. I could take a Shadowsword for 50 fewer points. And I will win. Always.

1. front post mounting was my problem. I don't know what you call the place where the assault cannon sits on other tanks.

2. Granted, I the BS 5 idea is kind of like BS chronus for ultramarines, Secundus brutus is pretty much a complete copy of chronus.

3. Secundus brutus is just a roman family name (secundus being second born) and mazda is a zoroastrian deity.

4. The secundus brutus idea is very much so chronus (who allows any tank he's with to gain his BS 5 and ignore Crew stunned and shaken results.)

5. really? I thought it was a bit OP my self.

6. you can never have too much choice. as it is, I can't get helios, Prometheus (isn't that simmilar to redeemer.) ares and I'm sure terminus ultra is just calgars tank. I never really expected it to go H2H against a BB, or even be considered in an apoc game. it's so pricey because of Secundus brutus and his BS 5. without him I'd play it 400 pts, maybe 425

1: It's Hull Mounted

3: Ok, I thought you were referring to the Mazda car lol

4: Well what is the squad that it affects? Are you referring to the embarkes passengers?

5: Well I suggest that it has no effect on Dangerous Terrain but it allows you to ignore Difficult Terrain, as from the description, I would imagine these engines to be able to plough through rubble and snowstorms without getting bogged down.

6: Terminus Ultra is the one with 5 Lascannons. Well to be honest, for just a bit more than this I could field 2 Godhammers, Crusaders, indeed any other Raider variant. I think about 300 points would be adequate for this. I was referring to the Shadowsword not necessarily in Apoc, but to show that fewer points could get you something so much more powerful.

okay,
1. thanks.

3. most people do.

4. It only affects the tank itself. passangers would still suffer anything they'd usually suffer.

5. that's workable, and I can understand the BF POV. thanks.

6. did not know that, well, now I know.

Captain Solon wrote:okay,
1. thanks.

3. most people do.

4. It only affects the tank itself. passangers would still suffer anything they'd usually suffer.

5. that's workable, and I can understand the BF POV. thanks.

6. did not know that, well, now I know.

not bad, how ever for 500 points i could field land raider magnus which has 6 twin linked las cannons

End of the world alert, I . . .like. . .one of your ideas.

That aside it's no personal attack solon, just my way of offering a compliment, this seems fairly balanced (Very high power, High points but vulnerable to a single melta / broadside) what I'm trying to say is:
This idea is well thought out, unique, seemingly balanced(pending testing), and useful. You've come a long way since your original ideas.

Well:

Playtesting 12/07/10

blew up very fast, but managed to get 420 pts in KP (2 rhinos, 2 TAC squads.), and suspended a terminator squad (taking out 4 of them) for 2 turns.

it took 18 focussed attacks from 3 DEV and 2 LR to get rid of my tank. (that is, 12 lascannons from DEV and 6 attacks from 3 turns of LR.)

this idea is able to smash through enemy infantry, and literally chew up their formation.

should be hell on earth for guard and orks.

Shas'O, it's bound to happen.

post 150 ideas, and eventually you'll strike lucky.

This should not be possible to use in a normal force organization game. Way too point-heavy.
That aside, it's a cool idea. Use for an Apocalypse Template? Approved by General Fuzzum.
I can't say that I'd be willing to use it though. Even with AV 14, an extremely lucky lascannon shot could remove 500 points from the table.
As your last excercise has proved, this contraption draws an ungodly amount of fire. As it should.
Also, I know how hard it is to not copy stuff that's not already created when trying to create your own stuff, but you are kinda ripping on Chronus. Like exactly.

All in all, if you like the idea and the people you play with are cool with it, go ahead. But I probably wouldn't be comfortable with playing with that in a competitive game.

This reminds me of my buddies idea for Land Raider Blizzard.


Standard Land Raider Layout. With the Following Additions.

1 Hull mounted TLLC

2 sponsons equipped with 3 TLLC as he says (just like the crusader)

He even bought a half dozen landraiders to make one. I eventually convinced him he couldn't transport troops in it as the power generators for the LC's would take up all the space.

Firm... what a useless post.

anyway, general fuzzum, it's supposed to be a point heavy tank - not for pitiful 1000 pt games.

this (removed expletive) is supposed to be taking a captain and point heavy CS. when thats inside, it shoves some firepower at the orks, then the troops rush out and kill 'em.