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Hows the list look?

HQ: Kff. Big mek.

12 Boyz. Nob. pk. bp.

12 Boyz. Nob. pk. bp.

11 Boyz. Nob. pk. bp.

3 Looted Wagons with: Rams. Armor plates. Big Shoota. Rokkit.

2 Deffkoptas (single units) TL Rokkits and buzzsaws.

750 pts. (Boyz mobs are shoota boyz)

C&C please!

Why Looted Wagons? Get Trukks instead dedicated transport and doesn't drive off when you don't want it too.

Couple of reasons for taking them. they are just as cheap as trukks, count as tanks for tank-shock, higher AV rating than trukks (great for the KFF) and that I have 3 Leman Russ tanks that i need to use. Also, the Don't press Dat rule isn't so bad if your using them as transports. (Looted Wagons also have great fluff for Blood Axes )

Looted wagons are really unusable in this edition, if you could field them as squadrons and boomgun didn't remove their transport ability, or they had something else to fit in the middle-ground between boomgun and Skorcha, then may be they'd be worth taking, but a Battlewagon would still be better.

Looted wagons are absolute garbage. Definitely get Trukks with RPJ, Reinforced Ram, Boarding Planks, and Rokkits.

Slugga & choppa boyz go in transports, not shoota boyz.

I would recommend putting more numbers in your boys, especially if you are going to make them walk. Also, a boomgun is a huge bonus on a looted wagon, if you can find the points to add one, it is well worth it.

Your numbers are fine and the boomgun is a terrible idea for this list. IIRC, you lose all transport capacity...

Well if anything I'll take 'em for fluff reasons. However, I am surprised on how much criticism it gets. It's a cheap transport for lower points games and it has fared well so far. (Hence the KFF) The boomgun version seems the better choice but this is where the Dont Press Dat rule really hurts. The boomgun is only 36" so you will have to move around more anyways, which isn't that great for firing ordnance on the move @ BS 2. It has been an effective transport for my troops and usually about 1/3 will get blown up depending on bad KFF rolls. They have really shined for me n my boyz, but apparently everyone else has had horrid luck with them.

P.S. - I use shoota boyz because I keep my wagons open-topped, otherwise if I had the ard cases on 'em I would take slugga/choppas. Another advantage to this is when your boyz have to footslog (shootas are great for this) because of a wrecked transport on turn 1 or 2.

i use looted wagons all the time there great for taking out infentry if you give them boom guns that is I made my boom guns out of whiteboard pens and greeen stuff

This is my looted wagon

Boris420 wrote:Well if anything I'll take 'em for fluff reasons. However, I am surprised on how much criticism it gets. It's a cheap transport for lower points games and it has fared well so far. (Hence the KFF) The boomgun version seems the better choice but this is where the Dont Press Dat rule really hurts. The boomgun is only 36" so you will have to move around more anyways, which isn't that great for firing ordnance on the move @ BS 2. It has been an effective transport for my troops and usually about 1/3 will get blown up depending on bad KFF rolls. They have really shined for me n my boyz, but apparently everyone else has had horrid luck with them.

P.S. - I use shoota boyz because I keep my wagons open-topped, otherwise if I had the ard cases on 'em I would take slugga/choppas. Another advantage to this is when your boyz have to footslog (shootas are great for this) because of a wrecked transport on turn 1 or 2.

Exactly what fluff are you referring to? Trukks are a far better choice due to ramshackle and lack of Don't Press Dat. I would only ever take shoota boyz in a Battlewagon Gunship, and then only rarely and I would never transport anything in anything with an 'ard case. You should be moving flat out, which Looted Wagons can't do, so you should rarely be shooting making Slugga/Choppa boys the only viable option for transports.

Also, why would you post your list if you are completely against changing it when it is obviously flawed and easily fixed?


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Punctuation and proper spelling are greatly appreciated on this board, also, no one browsing the army list forum wants to look at your badly taken pictures. Please keep that in the Painting and Modeling section.

Boris420 wrote:Well if anything I'll take 'em for fluff reasons. However, I am surprised on how much criticism it gets. It's a cheap transport for lower points games and it has fared well so far. (Hence the KFF) The boomgun version seems the better choice but this is where the Dont Press Dat rule really hurts. The boomgun is only 36" so you will have to move around more anyways, which isn't that great for firing ordnance on the move @ BS 2. It has been an effective transport for my troops and usually about 1/3 will get blown up depending on bad KFF rolls. They have really shined for me n my boyz, but apparently everyone else has had horrid luck with them.

P.S. - I use shoota boyz because I keep my wagons open-topped, otherwise if I had the ard cases on 'em I would take slugga/choppas. Another advantage to this is when your boyz have to footslog (shootas are great for this) because of a wrecked transport on turn 1 or 2.

you say it is bs 2 but it is a large blast weapon 2d6 scatter so that dont mater put it in the middle of a big unit or in the middle of a unit with other units around it it is bound to hit something hence the large blast

O God jde'ath, please use some punctuation! It's free! I promise!

And with BS 2, you'll be scattering 5" on average, A.K.A the diameter of the template.

I'm sorry, I'm not used to using punctuation I'm only 14 and we don't learn stuff like that any more, I do try!!! But back to the point its not like it is 1 shoot, it is a blast that scatters from the middle of the unit and would still posible hit at least 3. After all, it scatters from blast centre to blast centre.

True, it does hit three guys on average. However, it's still ridiculously expensive for that and it has rhino armor....

Yes , but the chances are that you will be able to shoot the enemy for 2 turns before they can hit you

Sorry I posted it 2 times by acciedent this is my first day of using this

To Claypool: Sorry, I'm not trying to contradict my own list but wanted to see what y'all thought. oh and the 5" diameter blast missing is huge, thanks for helping me point that out. Also, like i said, if your boomwagon rolls a 1, then you wont be shooting anything at all, and if your dice rolls suck, you won't use it the whole game. I will probably stick to shoota boyz, and while you have a good point that I won't be able to shoot and move much using wagons, the point of taking them is that i know they will be footslogging anyways once some of the wagons get wrecked. Footslogging boyz must be shootas IMO, and if I'm lucky enough to shoot out of the wagon at combat speed, I have the option to do so. I like options. I understand why people are trying to swing me towards using trukks, but i'm only using the wagons because I have the models and thought they might excel in smaller points games. I just wanted to see what y'all think before playing more games with them, but I must admit they have done well so far thanks to the KFF. If i didn't have that then I would use nothing but trukks. I've been playing Kan-wall's so I wanted to switch things up a bit another plus is being able to ram with the wagons, and they get +1 to do so because their tanks, and in smaller games, I can actually reach enemy armor and even ram rear armor as well. For the fluff stuff, read the section for the wagons, I thought it was kool that it mentioned Blood-Axes using looted transports to crash into enemy lines, and I had this awesome picture in my head so i guess this is more of a "for fun" list than for competitive play. Thanks for all the support folks!

Yeah, if this is for fun then it looks good. Most tips you will get here are for competitive play.