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Okay, maybe not.

heres what I did.

taking on a really powerful oponent, he relied very heavily on 3 LR MBT sitting at the back shooting my gunners to bits.

anyway. my marines, as above were getting killed.

I felt it necesary to get rid of these russes, so heres what I did.

Deep struck 3 LS 18" away, hiding. he didn't do anything about them, feeling they were innefective.

I rushed my LR forward, and he said oh gak. and they shot at me. they blew up my LR, but in the next turn, my Land speeders moved in, blew up ALL THREE and then went on a killing spreee against some other units.

LR do make good cannon fodder.

Im not trying to be rude, but that was allot of luck, you spent 250 on CANNON FODDER, and it was bad generalship on his part. Yes this is a usable tactic but it is unreliable.

not really.

It's using something chunky to lure in someone, so that he focuses his fire on that one.

the fact is, for just that turn they were useless. so he didn't think they'd be a problem.

No, it really was bad tactics on his part. ANYTHING that deep strikes behind your lines (and getting shots on rear armor) needs to be killed off ASAP. He won't make that mistake again...

HE might not let it happen again, BUT Solon actually made a very smart move. He used the LR to lure his enemies attention away from his attack plan, and worked perfectly. I still scratch my head when people say landspeeders are junk. They haul ass, can have some serious fire power and are great for blowing up tanks.

Smart move. Instead of sacrifices a few pawns, you let your queen take it in the rear, but obviously it worked out well for you. Im sure the 3 LRBT you blew up made up for the loss of a LR right? Ive no clue how much they cost, but Im guessing it was 250 pts ish?

Agreed, your opponent made a careless mistakes. Land Speeders deep striking behind you should get shot to death immediately >_>

Havn't you been warned about misleading thread titles before? Also, opponent stupidity is not really a tactic

Multimelta speeders are nice though

KingCracker wrote:HE might not let it happen again, BUT Solon actually made a very smart move. He used the LR to lure his enemies attention away from his attack plan, and worked perfectly. I still scratch my head when people say landspeeders are junk. They haul ass, can have some serious fire power and are great for blowing up tanks.

Smart move. Instead of sacrifices a few pawns, you let your queen take it in the rear, but obviously it worked out well for you. Im sure the 3 LRBT you blew up made up for the loss of a LR right? Ive no clue how much they cost, but Im guessing it was 250 pts ish?

QFT.

they were LR with BC's

they're at least 170, he gave them Side-mounted plasma cannons and lascannon, and it destroyed my tank with 3 hits from the LC.

so it ends up being about 600 for what was 250 pts.

In general, LR's don't make their points back in what they kill, but with what they deliver.

pretty much.

Guess I might be missing something why didn't you just Deepstrike them within 12" and shoot at the tank then instead of "sacrificing" a Land Raider?

Also this guy you played sounds like a chump why he's firing lascannons and battle cannons in hopes to destroy a Land Raider is just poor target priority.

You pretty much only shoot LC's and RL equivalents at LR's when there is nothing else to shoot at.

Worst title I've read in this sub forum ever..

Hello ignore..

Shaman wrote:Worst title I've read in this sub forum ever..

Hello ignore..

I would like to share that privelege with you...

Not a space marine tactic...

Hell. Not a tactic. You deepstruck, rushed a LR forward, and then killed them with landspeeders. Wahoo!

Luck and opponent slip-up does not make you a tactical genius. (DON'T!)

I really am failing to see why so many of you are being donkey-caves to this guy. Sure the title is OTT but all he was doing was sharing something he did in a game that worked out incredibly well. So go ahead and join the band wagon of not only putting him on the ignore list, but being jerk offs too. I applaud you all for being such awesome example of DAKKA hospitality.

KingCracker wrote:So go ahead and join the band wagon of not only putting him on the ignore list, but being jerk offs too.

I would never put Solon on ignore his posts are always magical.

KingCracker wrote:I really am failing to see why so many of you are being donkey-caves to this guy. Sure the title is OTT but all he was doing was sharing something he did in a game that worked out incredibly well. So go ahead and join the band wagon of not only putting him on the ignore list, but being jerk offs too. I applaud you all for being such awesome example of DAKKA hospitality.

I agree with General_Chaos (NO! Not about predators and dreadnoughts! )

I just see many of Solon's posts as not necessary. Not this, consider it the straw that broke the camel's back.

When you say you dropped them 18" away hiding, do you mean out of line-of-sight? I'm also curious about why you didn't drop them close enough for an initial shot.

Maybe not necessary, thats fine thats your opinion. Hell Im not even saying its a great tactic, but it still got the job done. Also if you think what he says has no relevance to DAKKA, thats fine, feel free not to bash the guy for trying. He has just as much a right to post his crap as you or I do.


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1-UP wrote:When you say you dropped them 18" away hiding, do you mean out of line-of-sight? I'm also curious about why you didn't drop them close enough for an initial shot.

I agree here Solon, you could of just DS in and shot the hell out of the rears of those tanks. Infact that would of saved your LR. Remember that next time. I always say that every game you should learn something new. And heres proving me right

I hope this doesn't mean any bad blood with anybody.

Though I really do like my dakka no frills. I didn't have anyone on my ignore for the longest time, then Melissia, Zachar, and various other people ruined it. The first due to the whine fests, the second because of him well... giving awful counter-productive advice, and slighting my abilities under unwarranted conditions.

Though this thread can be broken down into "I used my land raider as bait, then through land speeders at him!"... and there are numerous ways to perform that more efficiently.

EDIT-And to add to that, if he had asked for advice, and proposed that, I would not have put this up.

Though he stated it was the best space marine tactic ever (even though he admitted it wasn't true)...

I am quite willing to lend advice in any way I can to people who ask for it... though I have quite a bit of disdain for people who hand out bad advice.

Captain Solon can still post the way he does, I simply don't want to be part of it.

/rant

KingCracker wrote:I really am failing to see why so many of you are being donkey-caves to this guy. Sure the title is OTT but all he was doing was sharing something he did in a game that worked out incredibly well. So go ahead and join the band wagon of not only putting him on the ignore list, but being jerk offs too. I applaud you all for being such awesome example of DAKKA hospitality.

Because he posts with a misleading title. If I did the same I would expect to be ignored.

Also we are awesome examples of dakka's hospitality.

What is purpose of this post?

This one time, at band camp, I deep struck some Grots and they killed Marneus Calgar. Therefore, obviously, Grots are better than Calgar.

*Looks at thread*
Wow..
I've seen worse tactic threads by the way, generally just avoid them if you can't think of a way to help them improve without coming across as a complete jerk.



Anyway on topic time. I actually do this tactic sometimes, more defensively to draw away unwanted assaults, but with Eldar and not spending so much on the distraction. Once they're busy dealing with it the real threat moves in and deals with the enemy. True it's not always usable but it is something you should keep in mind because it can help you out at times. Distraction can help to make them react the way you want them to. While this shouldn't be the main plan you go into a game with (sometimes Eldar get away with it ) it makes an alright backup plan if you find yourself bogged down by a gunline or such and need to buy time.

Just remeber to have a good backup plan if you try it as it can fail pretty easily.

While I'll agree the way it was executed wasn't the best with a bit of practice it can become a pretty good defensive tactic.


Works great on Blood Angels

I believe the reason he went 18" away in hiding was because, much like a drop pod, deep-striking means you moved too fast too shoot. Or am I wrong on this (codex differences are such a pain...)?

Land speeders are fast skimmers and so count as moving at cruising speed for firing purposes. IDK why he chose to DS 18" away, but I wasn't playing the game and don't know the circumstances that may have made him decide to do what he did.

I'm more in favor of a land speeder storm with a MM and a power fist sergeant on board.

If you go first scout move and launch a turn 1 assault with the pfist against 1 russ while the MM land speeder shoots another.

If you go 2nd outflank the land speeder storm and the scouts on board.

Remember you can also use the speeders for movment blocking. Shove them right in the enemy landraider's face (tucked around it's front corners). If they don't kill it then it either has to stop for a turn or back up and try to go around them (probably ending up even further back).

Most annoying for your opponent's uber death-star unit.

I've changed the title of the thread to something a tad less hyperbolic.

If people could remember to be polite when speaking with other users that'd be dandy,

Okay then, thanks Reds8n