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Hey y'all,
wondering if someone would give me some tips on this army, trying to go for hoard guard if there is such a thing, do you think that you could give some C-nd-C
cheers guys

company command squad,
melta, melta, plasma, standard, two bodyguards

veterans
melta X3

veterans
melta X3 demolitions

Veterans
plasma X3

platoon 1
platoon comand
flamersX4
crack grenades

infantry blob, 30 strong with a commisar and 3 grenade launchers

heavy weapon squad
las cannons X3

Ratlings X8

Psyker battle squad (7 psykers, 1 overseer)

Could work.

I'd get rid of the bodyguards (expensive meltamen defending a worthless officer?), and homogenize your CCSs weapons.

I'd also lose 1 of the flamers from the PCS, and the krak grenades and a grenade launcher and give power weaopns to your blob.

Finally, I'm not a big fan of demolitions. A lot of points for what basically ammounts to a single demo charge. Those points could be used to make your psykers a full 10-strong unit (a must, in my opinion).

Seems okay. I'd use more Iplatoons, personally.
Are you saying you want a "horde" army? I think that implies more infantry....

Oh god I'm laughing

first I must apologise for my spelling, As we all find on the internet the pesky keyboard gremlins sometimes attack! horde indeed, cheers Samus_aran115

second right, the bodyguards in my CCS was to get some more wounds in the CCS for allocation, the officer wasn't the point, i was planning on originally using the CCS as sort of a roving special weapons squad, and as I usually face MEQ armies, using the special weapons. I get the homogonising the special weapons, but really it was a how can i fit more ap 1/2 into my army with the points and the models I own.

get rid of the flamer, crack and 1 gl, awesome will do, is that power weapons to the commisar or the sargents? or am i being dense, and not have to codex to hand?

no demolitions? ok, I'll try, though I went for the 7 psykers, for the reason that it would wound bikers on a 2+ still ID t3 characters and have a nice shot on monstrous creatures. S9 (which i think is max though correct me if I'm wrong) is a little overkill, and the oneshot demo charge for the Veterans that hides in the unit is usually quite nice in melta range of a tank hunting/heavy infantry /pie-plating helpness to gain points cost or more. so I don't know, though can see the validity of the upgrade to 9/10 psykers
but cheers!

ozzzy wrote:

get rid of the flamer, crack and 1 gl, awesome will do, is that power weapons to the commisar or the sargents? or am i being dense, and not have to codex to hand?

no demolitions? ok, I'll try, though I went for the 7 psykers, for the reason that it would wound bikers on a 2+ still ID t3 characters and have a nice shot on monstrous creatures. S9 (which i think is max though correct me if I'm wrong) is a little overkill, and the oneshot demo charge for the Veterans that hides in the unit is usually quite nice in melta range of a tank hunting/heavy infantry /pie-plating helpness to gain points cost or more. so I don't know, though can see the validity of the upgrade to 9/10 psykers
but cheers!

- first your commissar and then your sargents, because if you fail your ld-test he will execute your pw. and thats not fun

- i think 9 psykers are a must. insta kils, and drops enemy ld fast. And if you roll perils of the warp, you still would have enough psykers left to do some damage.

Your list seems like a very, very strange list for a horde, because it isn't a horde at all. A horde would look something like:

CCS 90
4 meltas

Platoons 1-3 735

PCS 50
4 flamers

2 * Squad 130
grenade launcher, autocannon

Special Weapons Squad 65
3 meltas

Platoon 4 175

PCS 45
3 flamers

2 * Squad 130
grenade launcher, autocannon

One hundred and twenty-three bodies, 13 meltas, 15 flamers, 8 grenade launchers and 8 autocannons.

maeglin - Why all the platoons? Why not max out the ones you've got first? I assume its to get more flamers in.

Ozzy - you thought about al'rahem?

The only upside to having multiple platoons is that you get multiple officers able to issue orders. That and the fact they count as seperate troops choices for deployment.

I'm in favour of maxing out the platoons, saves points for more guardsmen in an infantry horde army.

Ok how about something like this, sorry someone might want to check my math (i'm at work) think it comes to about 965

CCS
Melta x 4 (might want to change these)
Astropath

PCS
4 flamers

Inf Squad x 3
Autocannon x 3
Commisar

Inf Squad x 2
Lasc x 2

3 mortars

PCS
Al'rahem
Melta x 4

Inf Squad x 3
Grenade Launcher x 3
Power Sword x 3
Melta Bomb x 3
Commissar w Power Sword

you form a gunline with the first platoon and CCS and then Al'rahem ouflanks. Sorry this is kid off the top of my head and based on a list I was working on using my own models so probably isn't ultimate but gives you an idea of what i'm driving at.

Al'rahem seems from advice I have been given is a waste of points, though open to ideas, outflanking seems to help and would be quite usefull. i like the list, though would have fun finding the models. I'm sure i can kit-bash something up.

well to the idea of taking so many platoons, I like, didn't think about that, but i thought taking meltas in veterans, made it slightly more effective, as have ablative wounds, and bs4 rather than, at bs 3, though i like the idea of 13 of the things! as to taking auto cannons in infantry squads, doesn't it limit movement majorly?

Oh, see, now that list looks just saucy.

Personally, I'd break down the lascannon team and turn the points into power weapons and meltabombs for everyone, as I don't see the lascannons doing ALL that much unless your opponent is only bringing a single vehicle or MC, or something, but that's just me.

Al'rahem seems from advice I have been given is a waste of points, though open to ideas, outflanking seems to help and would be quite usefull. i like the list, though would have fun finding the models. I'm sure i can kit-bash something up.

I've not used him yet personally so can't give you first hand experience of his awesomeness, but i've seen him used a few times and have been planning all infantry lists around him for awhile he seems almost essential.

Al'rahem for the win, seriously though he is expensive but a waste of points
he has a uber power sword which instant deaths regardless of toughness

he has like the wind or whatever its called which is a special order allowing you to move after you shoot

and he can turn the entire game board sideways. In a lot of lists I would probably agree that he is a little extravagant but in an all infantry list you need to get those melta close to the enemy or get HWS hitting on side armor he seems like the best way of doing it.

I'm in the middle of kit bashing one myself, ain't going to look like Al'rahem but who cares.

well to the idea of taking so many platoons, I like, didn't think about that, but i thought taking meltas in veterans, made it slightly more effective, as have ablative wounds, and bs4 rather than, at bs 3, though i like the idea of 13 of the things! as to taking auto cannons in infantry squads, doesn't it limit movement majorly?

If you want to go the vet route maybe harker & astropath would work. Although Al'rahem wouldn't really have to worry about ablative wounds too much becasue he turns up with at least 20 other guys. The BS3 is a draw back but in the list above alrahem has 4 melta so two hits on side/back armor plus there are 3 sergeants with melta bombs, if you want you could also switch the GL's for extra melta.

Not goig to lie HWS are going to limit your movement, to be honest the list I suggested is probably best suited for 2 out of the 3 standard game types. I Personally I like HWT in Inf squad as direct fire HWS always seemed a little bit too easy to kill, but the list is just an idea mess with it as much as you like. I'm interested to see what other people come up with because like I said I have been planning to do an all inf list at this point level for awhile now.



@ ailaros - thanks, can't take all the credit though its loosley based on a list at 1500 you helped me on (more HWT though, I know how you feel about them ). You've used Al'rahem, his tiger claw (PW) do you still have to wound using his strength? or is it just a case of hitting?

I don't have any practical experience with this sort of list, but I'm building such an army, and so I've thought about it a lot. Seems to me that the army needs to be built around 2 sorts of blobs: "Heavy weapons, vox, specials and a commissar optional" (a regimental standard should keep a squad in place despite shooting casualties; you can rely on good deployment to keep them out of assault against most enemies) And "special weapons, power weapons, commissar, vox, heavy weapons optional and not advised."