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Hello everyone,
My friend and I have a disagreement. I believe that a dreadnaughts body is the same a a turret, as in that it can turn around to shoot at what it needs to without moving in the movement phase, my freind says no, that they're bodys arent movable and that the feet have to literally move, therefor the dreadnaught cannot rotate in the shooting phase.
So can a dreadnaught rotate the same as a turret?

Yes they can there upper body can rotate 360 thats the reason you cant every hit a dreadnought from behind in hand to hand. also if the upper body isn't then the weapons is there is nothin that says that a dreadnaught cant rotate its are 180 degrees and fir behind it

It can rotate in the shooting phase. It's the only vehicle given permission to do so, I beiieve it is covered in the Dreadnought section of the BRB.

EDIT: I think the only exception is when they are immobilised.

If it immobilized by a damage,Walker cant rotate.

If not Walker can rotate in shooting phace.

look at "Walker" section in rule book.

*edit
And this is not for only Dread. Sentinel,Warwalker can rotate too. In other word,"Walker" can rotate base.

Bishop99 wrote:Yes they can there upper body can rotate 360 thats the reason you cant every hit a dreadnought from behind in hand to hand. also if the upper body isn't then the weapons is there is nothin that says that a dreadnaught cant rotate its are 180 degrees and fir behind it

Not completely correct

The dreadnoughts are treated the same as vehicles for purposes of movement, being shot at and shooting as per the vehicle rules, Dreadnoughts weapons have a fire arc measureed from the nozzle. The weapons are assumed be able to rotate 45degree's in the shooting phase on top of their normal weapons arc (though I'd recommend double checking that) but they cannot just rotate their bodies to get any shot they want. Dreadnoughts when assualted automatically turn to face the attacker even if immobilized but this is the only time they can do this. If anything it would be more of a Hull mounted weapon than a turret.

Its all in the section under walkers under the Vehicles section. Someone might be able to post a pg number


So to answer the OP, no, he can't attack you as he described and needs to touch up on the section I mentioned above

HellsGuardian316 wrote:The dreadnoughts are treated the same as vehicles for purposes of movement, being shot at and shooting as per the vehicle rules, Dreadnoughts weapons have a fire arc measureed from the nozzle. The weapons are assumed be able to rotate 45degree's in the shooting phase on top of their normal weapons arc (though I'd recommend double checking that) but they cannot just rotate their bodies to get any shot they want. Dreadnoughts when assualted automatically turn to face the attacker even if immobilized but this is the only time they can do this. If anything it would be more of a Hull mounted weapon than a turret.

Some of that is correct.

Walkers can turn and face their target in the shooting phase. Once turned, their weapons have a 45 degree arc to the front. Vehicle weapon arcs are measured from the mounting, not from the muzzle of the weapon.

There are no rules granting Dreadnoughts a turret arrangement. They are covered by the same rules (and so limited to the same 45 degree arc) as all other walkers, not all of which have a waist.

So, for the original post, both you and your friend were partly right.

And once again insaniak says what I tried to far more eloquently and also more correctly too

Gonna start bringing my rulebook to work so I can quote them better. Me hates needed to be corrected for my hashes


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What I should have said however is Dreadnoughts specifically "use" their weapons as though hull mounted, but it is not specified that they are Turret nor Hull based and are detailed seperately on how they work in the appropriate section.

Hence the remark I made about the weapon itself rotating 45-degree's when shooting.

insaniak wrote:

HellsGuardian316 wrote:The dreadnoughts are treated the same as vehicles for purposes of movement, being shot at and shooting as per the vehicle rules, Dreadnoughts weapons have a fire arc measureed from the nozzle. The weapons are assumed be able to rotate 45degree's in the shooting phase on top of their normal weapons arc (though I'd recommend double checking that) but they cannot just rotate their bodies to get any shot they want. Dreadnoughts when assualted automatically turn to face the attacker even if immobilized but this is the only time they can do this. If anything it would be more of a Hull mounted weapon than a turret.

Some of that is correct.

Walkers can turn and face their target in the shooting phase. Once turned, their weapons have a 45 degree arc to the front. Vehicle weapon arcs are measured from the mounting, not from the muzzle of the weapon.

There are no rules granting Dreadnoughts a turret arrangement. They are covered by the same rules (and so limited to the same 45 degree arc) as all other walkers, not all of which have a waist.

So, for the original post, both you and your friend were partly right.

Also Adding that Walkers can rotate any of a full 360* in the shooting phase because the section on walkers in the brb says they can.

Now we have the complete rules answer to this in 1 post.

Kommissar Kel wrote:Also Adding that Walkers can rotate any of a full 360* in the shooting phase because the section on walkers in the brb says they can.

insaniak wrote:Walkers can turn and face their target in the shooting phase.

insaniak wrote:

Kommissar Kel wrote:Also Adding that Walkers can rotate any of a full 360* in the shooting phase because the section on walkers in the brb says they can.

insaniak wrote:Walkers can turn and face their target in the shooting phase.

Wow I totally skipped that sentence.