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Kabalite Conscript




Helsinki, Finland

150pts - 10 man Raider Squad w/ Blaster, Splinter Cannon
150pts - 10 man Raider Squad w/ Blaster, Splinter Cannon
164pts - 8 man Wych Squad w/ Raider, Wych weapons & Blaster
284pts - Archon w/ Raider, 2 incubi, 3 warriors, punisher, tormentor helm, combat drugs, shadow field and 2 splinter cannons for warriors

Should I take some vehicle upgrades? Is the wych squad out-of-place in this list? Is the archons unit too expensive? Is the HQ too kitted out? etc.

Thoughts?

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Krazy Grot Kutta Driva





England.

Hmm I would say the wych squad is a little out of place in the list. If your opponent knows his stuff then that raider is down very quickly. Same goes with the Archons unit. Two raiders are pretty easy to put down and then you're pooped.
I would advise running 5 man raider squads. Saves on points, you can still take the same no of spec weapons and is very little decrease in survivability.
I'm not a huge fan of Archons with retinues. They really slow the Archon down. With the retinue you have a 20" charge (12" raider move, 2 inch disembark, 1" base, 6" charge) if the raider is still moving but only a 12" if its down. Without a retinue he has a 28" to 33" threat range in a raider (12" move, 2 inch disembark, 1" base, 1-6 fleet, 12" charge from drugs) or a 19"-24" threat on foot.
Especially in a small game you want him able to sprint around clearing up pockets of resistance.
Just my personal tastes.

If I were you I would swap the wyches and retinue for a couple of ravagers and 1-2 more warrior squads. Also it needs more lances
   
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Lethal Lhamean






Venice, Florida

I agree with a fair chunk of what yani said. Minimizing the squads at this point level will drastically increase your ability to field more individual units.

An Archon is a waste at 750, field a dracon for basically the same unit at a solid point saving. I'd either drop the shadowfield or drop the retinue. At 750 you don't need a shadowfield unless the Lord will be running solo (I disagree with yani insomuch as I think either the retinue or running solo is a solid option, it just depends on what you want the unit to do)

The Wych squad either needs a Succubus with an Agoniser or it needs to be dropped to free up points. Wyches with no Agoniser is like Ork Trukk Boyz with no Power Klaw - it defeats the purpose.

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Regular Dakkanaut





I would agree with the above posts.

Additional ideas would be:

Dropping the wyches to a total of 6 (giving them 2 blasters)

Turning the Archon into a Dracon.

Drop the retinue and add a Raider Squad instead - at least they would be scoring and highly mobile.

I would want to see more mobility in your scoring units but if you do not have the models then you don't have the models. However, dropping the retinue for a Raider Squad is a high priority to me, you need to be able to get a scoring unit out of your deployment zone when you need to. Where you put the Dracon is up to you but now he can either ride the the Raider squad or with the Wych Squad and can separate when he wants.

Just my 2 cents.
   
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Regular Dakkanaut




Charleston, SC

If you have the models for it, in a 750 game you could:

Dracon, with Shadowfield, Agonizer, Combat Drugs, Splinter Pistol, Plasma Grenades - 108

2 Raider Squads
5 man with a blaster and a Splinter Cannon - 110 each

4 Raider Squads
5 man with a dark Lance - 105 each

748 total
   
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Spawn of Chaos





you desperately need heavy support bro- at any points value they pull the army along quite a bit. at 750 points you should have at least two ravagers / talos some combination. I wouldn't even really go for a lord at this points total- a haemonculi will do you just fine with scissorhands and a destructor. typically my 1000 pts and lower lists look something like this:

Haemy, scizzorhand, Destructor (optional) shadowfield
Raider squads (one is 9 man for haemy, rest are ten man, SC, Blaster)
a sniper squad
Ravagers

3 dis 3 dis and 3 dl ravagers, at 750 points having this can just decimate an enemies forces.. typically they wont have much more than rhinos and maybe a dred or predator. easy prey, and MeQ's just get eaten by dissies

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Kabalite Conscript




Helsinki, Finland

111pts - Dracon w/ Agonizer, Splinter Pistol, Combat Drugs, Shadow Field, Archangel of Pain
184pts - 7 man Wych Squad w/ Raider, Wych weapons, 2 Blasters, Succubus w/ Agonizer
105pts - 5 man Raider Squad, Dark Lance
105pts - 5 man Raider Squad, Dark Lance
105pts - 5 man Raider Squad, Dark Lance
140pts - Ravager, 3 Disintegrators, Night Shield

So how's this then? I threw the archangel of pain in there because I had 5 points to spare. It's exactly 750pts. Dracon goes with Wyches.
Oh and the models don't limit this by any means, as I buy the models for the list I end up with.

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