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I don't play Vampire Counts but I do know people who do play them and I will inevitably come up against them. My only question is do Vampire Counts still crumble per the original rules of the codex because I read the rule book and in it it states the rule known as unstable which is exactly like the crumbling of the Vampire Counts army. However when I read the FAQ for Vampire Counts and Tomb Kings all the Tomb Kings units got the Unstable special rule but Vampire Counts didn't. I checked the FAQ multiple times looking for them to add the unstable special rule into the Vampire Counts list on certain units and none of them have it. Is this a special rule in the Vampire Counts codex or have they lost the ability to crumble I would love to know.

Thanks!

Page 1, right hand side, FAQ version 1.1

vamps are unstable now, as lame as that is, its pretty much the same as crumble, but with no saves allowed :(

So no regen banner.....finally!

yup, bit cruddy, might think about dropping the banner from my graveguard and see can I add another vamp with forbidden lore so I can make them T5

But Rules as Written now Ethereal units do not take crumbling wounds.

The Vampire Counts book specifically says Ethereal units take wounds from losing combat.

New Ethereal Rules say Ethereal creatures cannot take wounds from anything but Magical Attacks and Spells.

New Unstable wounds are not specified as magical or spell damage.

The BRB is overridden by the specific VC rule.

specific > general

nosferatu1001 wrote:The BRB is overridden by the specific VC rule.

specific > general

That would be the case if the FAQ didn't specifically tell you to IGNORE the Ethereal box-out in the Vampire Counts book and use the Rulebook Ethereal rules instead.

Sigh, wish the gp had mentioned that...

In which case ethereals do not crumble.

Ethereals are undead, and I believe the undead rule is what has changed to unstable. Arguing it another way is just being silly tbh (and I play Vamps )

Sergeant Horse wrote:Ethereals are undead, and I believe the undead rule is what has changed to unstable. Arguing it another way is just being silly tbh (and I play Vamps )

Oh the intent is obvious. Of course Ethereals are INTENDED to take wounds from unstable. But rules as written they don't. Games Workshop has screwed up.

Actuallly the intention is not at all clear - so many things have changed between 7th and 8th in terms of basic assumptions that you should not assume the way something worked in 7th is how it works in 8th.

Nitros14 wrote:But Rules as Written now Ethereal units do not take crumbling wounds.

The Vampire Counts book specifically says Ethereal units take wounds from losing combat.

New Ethereal Rules say Ethereal creatures cannot take wounds from anything but Magical Attacks and Spells.

New Unstable wounds are not specified as magical or spell damage.

My thoughts:

RAW states Spirit Hosts are Undead, Ethereal. They must go by both rules. Undead, per FAQ, is NOT rewritten to Unstable. Many parts of the Warhammer rulebook state that 'if it sounds like' then it is "blah blah". They didn't do it here. The Undead rule is to take wounds from losing combat. Nowhere in the BRB does it say Ignore Undead special rules. RAW they are not unstable.

And this is why. If you ignore Undead special rules, you ignore the Immune to psycology part of the Undead special rules, then your units are no longer unbreakable. So Etherials can flee from combat. Well... thats not going to happen, rest assured. So you still take wounds from losing combat... the OTHER part of special rules for Spirit Hosts, etc.., Undead,

Except the issue is that ethereal units can only take wounds from a magical source, which unstable isnt.

It isnt 2ignoring" either rule, it is that one rule is inapplicable to ethereal units.

And just FYI, the FAQ DOES add unstable to all VC units.

Yep, they forgot first time round....

I didn't realize they updated the FAQ every couple days.