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HQ

Lord w/ Mark of S + Demon Weapon + pers icon + bike = 170

Troops

10 Marines w/ ioCg + plasma gun X2 and Rhino = 225

10 Marines w/ ioCG + plasma gun X2 and Rhino = 225

10 Lesser Demon = 130

10 Lesser Demon = 130

Fast attack

5 Attack bikes w/ 2X melta guns = 195

Heavy Support

Vindicator = 125

Vindicator = 125

Vindicator = 125

total = 1400


There is the list. Now I no it isn't the best but I am using allot of units and things that I just personally like but if you can see in huge weaknesses please feel free to point them out.

Quick run down of everything

- The lord is given the demon weapon for the idea to have him hunt down ICs/SC and other hard targets as he will ride with the other bikers. The 2 mech squads pretty basic. Roll up to an objective hope out shoot then sit on it. The lesser demons are there for tactical flexibility. I can get them in where they will be needed the most. If one of the mech squads needs some back up there they go or if the bikes are next to a nice target they can come in there. The vindis. Anti armor and anti horde.

Now I have 100 pts left not sure what to do with them. I could add in 3 more bikes? I could give all the vindis and rhinos Demonic possession. Could add in some champs mech squads and the bikers? I am kinda at a lose.

100 points you say?

Can't go wrong with a Summoned Greater Daemon!

in this list he most certainatly can!

he only has one Lord type guy, meaning the Greater daemon WILL possess him :/

I'd give all the Vindicators Daemonic Possesion, and if you have enough points left over, give each rhino a havoc Launcher...
but thats just me... and i REALLY like Havoc Launchers XD

Yeah the greater demon would have to eat my lord. No other option.


I would have enuff points to do both then have some peft over still. I like havoc launchers as well just wish we could get them on other things. Havoc launchers on a termi would be neat or havocs being able to use havocs would be brutal. That would cause alot of...havoc...

3 basic terminators with ten pts to jazz them up! Make one a champ or provide a combi weapon... they deep strike too remember!

If I was going to be critical, and I hope you don't mind... I'd ditch the lesser daemons and take 3 terminator squads of 3, armed with hf or combi flamers and they'll do this role much better as they'll survive much longer. Deep striking is the same as summoning right? They take up elite slots which you've not used!

Also, consider Plague marines, with T5 they're much better objective holders!

Other than than it looks like a pretty stable list... good luck!

yeah termis can DS off of icons. The theme for the army is slaanesh so plague marines are out. Although they are quite good.

Now that I sit and think about it more and more. I have never had some many different options I could possibly take for 100pts haha. Normally I have to cute back on a few things when i make a list.

I think I may just put possession on everything then play a few games and if any weaknesses pop up adjust from there. I may add more bikes if they are to weak or I could drop a demon unit and add in another mech squad if 2 isnt enuff to handle my needs.

Find yourself some points for an Aspriing Champion...

Minus two IoCG, plus two naked AC's, plus one Greater Daemon. I agree with Corennnus :-)

Cilithan

If you don't want another model, I suggest Daemonic Possession on the Vindis'...they are kinda Spiky SMurfs at the moment.

Why no Icon on bikers? They seem ideal in delivering deamons as well. Sure the Lord has one, but having one more covers more ground...and the squad is not fearless.... even with the lord, so with the icon, there's less chance of running away.

Blissgiver on lord.....this means there is really no 'bite' in the sort of combatty bike squad.
I suggest the Nurgle or Undivided Daemon Weapon, else, find points for a Champ w/ fist on the bikers.

Chaos Lords really need Mark of Khorne and Lightning Claws to be really good in close combat.

6 attacks on the charge.....

Lords with Daemon weapons are just unnecessary, there's no reason to take them when you have a way better HQ in the DP. if you absolutely have to take a lord to satisfy the fluff of your army, then do what Corennus suggested, that one of the few really nasty ways to run a Lord, epecially if you run him with MoK Terminators/bezerkers...ouch

Corennus wrote:Chaos Lords really need Mark of Khorne and Lightning Claws to be really good in close combat.

6 attacks on the charge.....

addionally I'd consider MoN bikers, thats a vicious unit the opponent cannot ignore, toughness 6 bikes with melta guns are going to ruin anyones day.

as for the summoned daemons their are other things that the points are better spent on, i.e plague marines and aspiring champions to summon that greater daemon with. never sacrifice you HQ for a greater daemon, use it like a pocket ace so that when your troops get in over their heads all you do is kill a 15 point model and poof, you get 100 points of pissed off murdermachine.

as far as the vidicators go, as an Iron Warriors player they're music to my ears great things come in trios and this doesn't stop with vindicators, when your opponent has three s10 pie plates lined up against him he'll crap his pants. Add daemonic possesion to that and he'll have to immobolize or destroy those suckers to stop them from running a train on his army every turn.



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as an additional note, plague marines go quite well with your plasma guns, between the armor save and FNP its very rare a plasma gun overheat will kill one of your guys

@Brother Heinrich:
They are Icons not Marks that the Bikers purchase. In addition it's at worst annoying but a bit gimmicky.

Actually it's no 15 points. You'll need to consider the points for the original model spent, the 'extra' just in case, and the delivery method as the whole package.

oh my bad 30 points (gasp), and yes its an icon not a mark, but regardless it confers the same. exact. thing. toughness 5 magnified to 6 by the bike, sorry but thats no laughing matter its an issue the enemy HAS to deal with otherwise they're gonna ride up and just start popping vehicles like its cool, additionally if you make one of them a champion thats a rapid delviery system for your greater demon. either that or he can take obliterators and DS them in support of his squads.

I would go into length, but these are technical things. I prefer to be more accurate with the Mark vs. Icon issue because they are two different things.

By RAW you are incorrect, no offense or starting anything, I'm only stating an observation and correcting it for others who may come by. No use in having some people mistake puchasing marks for units with respect to not losing them).

As for the Icon of Nurgle Bikers, it's only annoying because they do not function that well within the CSM army.

Being likely the most closest target, it really doesn't matter what their toughness is.
In addition, str 3 weapons care not, nor do str 8+ weapons, nor rending, nor poison, etc.
They are dealt with because their only bonus leads them to be unsupported. If supported, then they are not maximizing and you'd be better off with raptors or just another troop choice and the icon can be sniped, going back to the first point.

Raptors are hardly better my friend, I've never seen them perform adequately on the battlefield, and in reality it depends on how you use any unit, be it bikers or raptors, if you rush them headlong towards the enemy like they're blood angle or space wolf assault troops, they're going to die, even if its a landraider filled with kharne and a bunch of angry zerkers. you use cover and they're ability to rapidly move to achieve optimal cover and position before you strike, with raptors if you're caught in the open all you have is a 3+ armor save and toughness 4, at least with bikes you get the added toughness plus firepower. but yes any unit left in the open is going to die and if any unit catches command squad plasma spam they will die, the idea is use your chess pieces how they're meant to be used.

I am not saying Raptors are 'better'.
I am saying that if you are supporting bikers with the main body, they are not maximizing their speed.
Essentially moving only 12".
In which case, raptors are cheaper and do the same thing.

Otherwise you have super fast bikers that ourpace the rest of the 12" moving units and die, because there is nothing better to shoot at with a particular set of weapons.

Bikers are overpriced... it is fact, by alot frankly.
They do not fit in to the list as they are not really supported by the rest.

As for durability, the bikers pay for that in lower model count, so it evens out.

I've never seen them perform adequately on the battlefield

Which doesn't add too much. It's as helpful as saying: I've always seen them perform adequately on the battlefield. In addition, 'adequate' is different from person to person.

oh well to each his own, I find that one reliable combination is plague marines with an icon and obliterators for backup, not a whole lotta downside to it.

The icon is ok, but 9/10 you'll want to start the oblit on the board. Rare will the 'need' for a DS'ing oblit. Why? Because everyone has access to Termicides.

In addition, in most cases, the best DS spots will not have icon coverage unless it's turn 3+.

this is true considering their lascannons can reach out and touch just about anything while your plague marines tackle most everything else.

I'd take a Demon prince with wings and lash, 2x 8 man squads of plague marines with 2x plasma guns in rhinos, 3x obliterators, 3x vindicators w/daemonic posession, 2x dakka preds. thats a pretty solid list with alot of long range hurt and dakka.

So are you playing Apoc?
That's 8 Heavy Support Choices...

Sanctjud wrote:So are you playing Apoc?
That's 8 Heavy Support Choices...

whoa never mind lol

Haha I thank you guys for the input but your really getting away from the list. Yes we all know DP are great even better with lash. Plague marines are solid prolly the most solid troop choice around. Oblitz are as well very flexible.

But hmm

DP...Plague marines...oblits that certainly isn't a cookie cutter tourny list is it it?

I actually don't like oblits at least for something like this. Taking out the vindis for the oblits would actually be a terrible idea as that would mean less armor.


I Understand the point about the bikes not being supported but they are not gunna turbo boost off 1st turn unless well of course there is a save spot for them to get to. Odds are they sill stay with the rhinos till turn 2 then go for ether a counter to the enemy moments or drive up to av 14 or an MC and get it off the table.

The lord with twin claws and MoK does have 6 attacks on the charge but so does my lord at the minimum, but my lord can get up to 10 attacks on the charge if I get a 6. yes I can roll a one and nothing happen but hey thems the brakes. Plus with his high I and being on a bike he can hunt down other ICs/SC which everyone loves to use. Plus with ID on the weapon I even have a shot at killing big MCs.

I may drp the demons will have to see how they work. But they add ALOT of tactical flexibility. Allot of people shun them since well they take a little thought. More thought then your usual cookie cutter lists.


After rolling some dice the vindis with possession seems really mean. Since you HAVE to get an mobilize or wreck it. So even those high str weapons that can get threw av 13 still have a 1/3 chance to do totally nothing to it.