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Having a tough time decideing between two rather similar list. I want some support elements for my bikers but at the same time I dont want be painfully thin on scoring bodies, the thing Im really thinking between is either going with the list below or swaping the flamer squad for a third typhoon and a third HBAC Pred.
The full squad is ment to be able to handle atleast some stuff in CC by sticking a PF sarge, the captain and the libby in the same squad.

ANY ideas are most welcome!

Captain - 165
RB,Bike

Libby - 135
Bike


8xBikes - 310
MMAB, 2xMG, PF

4xBikes - 185
MMAB,2xMG

4xBikes - 185
MMAB,2MG

4xBikes - 165
HBAB,2xFlamer


Typhoon - 90

Typhoon - 90


2xACHB Pred - 170

With respect to using my list as a standard:
The scoring bodies is only 3 less... so it's decent, but you just have to baby half the squads.

The kill points are on the high side, so you'll really have to maximize the long range of the Typhoons and have good placement of the Preds.

Libby is a good addition, but may be a bit much in HQ at only the 1500 level.

So judging by that comment I guess you prefer the current list since it has 6 more scoring bodies and on less KP?


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Also, I agree that the Libby might be a little much but I must say that the mobile hood coupled with NullZone/Avenger and 4 PW attacks on the charge is really nice.

Im a proponent of MSU but I can definetly see the benefit of having one unit with some more staying power. It does pack a decent CC punch but obviously dont expect it to go up against anything truly CC oriented.
I would perosnally try and gamble some with the 3xACHB 3xTyphoon List

take a command squad on bikes. if you're running msu to max out the # of special weapons you can carry they make alot of sense, they're only marginally more expensive than a normal bike squad if you dont splurge on war gear, and are even harder to kill.

not a fan of typhoon missile launchers for the points you pretty nearly could have had a 2nd land speeder. I would advocate for heavy flamer/multi melta.

predators imo should be upgraded to vindicators. more killy less expensive hard not to like.
AF

Vindicators does not mesh well with a close range bike list.
Side AV 11 is horrible, especially when there is no other armoured threat around. Not to mention you run the risk of having a pie plate deviate and hit your own bikes. T5 helps very little against str 10.

A command squad with 4 PGs comes out to a nice 265pts (without a single SS), that would require dropping both the typhoons and one Pred. While it certainly does have its merits I think those three units will do this list more good than a command squad. I guess you could possible save 125pts by droping the fist and 4 bikes from the large squad but youd still pretty much have to loose the typhoons or the preds.

If you drop the typhoons you will be left with absolutly no long ranged AT Anit MC ect...not a good idea even with a mobile list imo

@AF:
I will agree with the suggestion of the Command Squad.
Being harder to kill I will disagree with, with respect to points spent.

They are essentially the durability of 10 bikers with 5 models. They are not twice the cost, but because it's balanced by the things that bypass FNP, which makes them rather fragile in a list that doesn't really focus on armor saturation.
In which case, Storm Shields are added to the mix. Then they are durable, but costing over the 10 man squad of bikers.

So in most cases one can say they are comparable to the troop bikers in terms of durability in that point of view.

not a fan of typhoon missile launchers for the points you pretty nearly could have had a 2nd land speeder.

I agree that they are pricey, but the rationale is that their range makes them more durable than 2 land speeders...and 2 naked speeders don't really do the job that the Typhoon does... so the comparison is not sort of misleading.

predators imo should be upgraded to vindicators. more killy less expensive hard not to like.

Vindis are not flat out "more killy".
Preds have a great record in biker lists...in fact, Vindis are variable in performance than the preds.
It is a taste choice in the end. Preds offer better cover fire and actual use of the backfield, while Vindi's bring a bully unit

I don't get your point about being less expensive.
That's TWO dakka preds there, dakka preds are noticably cheaper than a single vindi...I mean,they don't even go into the three digits...which is annoying as a Chaos Player

i'm not a fan of vindicators. against monstrous vehicles, they will do at most 1 wound. Against infantry, because of scatter and cover, they will often do at most 1 or 2 kills per turn. Also, you already have tons of killy 24" death. You need ranged fire. Predators give that.

^I'll agree with that as well.

In addition, bikes operate close to the enemy sometimes...they don't mix very well with pie plates going the wrong way

Hmm, after these suggestions I think I will consider something like this, dropping the Libby and a few bikes I could go with this:

Captain - 165
RB,Bike

Command Squad - 310
(Bikes, 4xPG, 2xSS, LC)


6xBikes - 245
MMAB, 2xMG Combi-flamer

5xBikes - 220
MMAB, 2xMG, Combi-flamer

5xBikes - 210
MMAB, 2xMG

Typhoon - 90

Typhoon - 90

2xACHB Pred - 170


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Is this better do you guys think?

Decent. But I still think the command squad kitted like that is just too much at 1500...
At 1500, full biker squad would give you more security IMO. You have much supporting elements already, I think a larger body of troops work much better with the Typhoon and Pred support.

Leave the Command Squad for 1850/2000 IMO.