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Okay some more questions about 40k.

1. Can allied tech priests\marines\whatever repair someone Else's vehicles?

2. what is the highest initiative in 40k, the highest i have seen are the Edar with ini of 7.

3. With the SM HQ unit Calgar, if you have a detachment of Black Templar and a detachment of Ultra Marines, does his choose to pass leadership\Morale tests go over for the entire army? Sorry about this question i have read it a few times but i am really unsure about it.

For 1 & 3 you will have to discuss it with your opponents before you start playing. There are no rules in the BRB about how to handle "allied" armies.

For what its worth, I would say yes for #1 and no for #3. Purely from a fluff perspective though. Since tech priests/marines are all members of the imperium, I'd imagine all of their vehicles are similar. However, Calgar is the leader of the Ultramarines, I don't think the Templars would be too keen on listening to his strategies.

As for #2, in the eldar codex, there's a unit that can get Init 10, but other than that, I don't know what the highest static init is.

hmmm initiative ten on eldar, what is that, i looked all over lol, my friend keeps stealing the initiative from me, and he is space marines.... he has ini 5 i have ini 7. I know a unit that can get initiative 10 wont help with the stealing the initiative but im just curious now.

Thanks for the answers.

zatchmo wrote:
As for #2, in the eldar codex, there's a unit that can get Init 10, but other than that, I don't know what the highest static init is.

Keeper of Secrets - I10


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Honorable mention: Wych Archite - I8

Ok lol, where do i find all these conversions, cause the KoS is just the Avatar right?


*Edit*

woops lol, that isnt right... i googled it and it said something about avatar i thought it was a conversion of some sort.

The Keeper of Secrets is a Greater Daemon of Slaanesh - so definitely NOT something the eldar want to get near....

Wyches are Dark eldar - again, not something you want to meet!

Akbar wrote:Okay some more questions about 40k.

1. Can allied tech priests\marines\whatever repair someone Else's vehicles?

I've had this pop up in friendly games. The way we figured it was that Imperials, so Guard, Marines, Inquisitors/SOB etc... Basically used the same technology that has been around for so long, that a tech marine would know how to repair a SOB Rhino, or at least have some clue towards fixing a immobolized chimera, and so can attempt to do so. Other aliens do not share tech with each other- xeno's races cannot help each other/be helped in repairs, as they all have far to unique designs and constructions to be repaired by someone unfamiliar to them in the middle of a battle!

Akbar wrote:hmmm initiative ten on eldar, what is that, i looked all over lol, my friend keeps stealing the initiative from me, and he is space marines.... he has ini 5 i have ini 7. I know a unit that can get initiative 10 wont help with the stealing the initiative but im just curious now.

Thanks for the answers.

It kinda reads that you mean he steals the initiative pre-battle? If that's the case, you might want to reread those rules.

To answer your curiosity: Howling Banshees gain Initiative 10 when charging.

Jihallah wrote:

Akbar wrote:Okay some more questions about 40k.

1. Can allied tech priests\marines\whatever repair someone Else's vehicles?

I've had this pop up in friendly games. The way we figured it was that Imperials, so Guard, Marines, Inquisitors/SOB etc... Basically used the same technology that has been around for so long, that a tech marine would know how to repair a SOB Rhino, or at least have some clue towards fixing a immobolized chimera, and so can attempt to do so. Other aliens do not share tech with each other- xeno's races cannot help each other/be helped in repairs, as they all have far to unique designs and constructions to be repaired by someone unfamiliar to them in the middle of a battle!

I actually like that house rule alot...it makes tons of in fluff sense, and I always like making my games fluffy. =D

But yeah....I'm confused OP....are you talking about initiative in close combat, or iniative before the game? If you're talking about cc initiative, you may want to call your friend out on it, as outside of special rules, I don't think there's a way to 'steal initiative'. You go from the highest initiative model to the lowest....Now, before the battle having specific units has no effect on him 'stealing initiative, and you can't really do much about that.....So what are you talking about?

Well when you steal the initiative in the beginning of the game, not in cc cause you cant do that at least not that i know of, you roll to see who goes first then add your highest initiative to it. So if you have initiative seven and the other has initiative 5 he has to beat you by 3 or more, because the one with higher base initiative wins ties. Correct? Or do you just roll and not even add initiative?

Akbar wrote:Well when you steal the initiative in the beginning of the game, not in cc cause you cant do that at least not that i know of, you roll to see who goes first then add your highest initiative to it. So if you have initiative seven and the other has initiative 5 he has to beat you by 3 or more, because the one with higher base initiative wins ties. Correct? Or do you just roll and not even add initiative?

Rulebook, page 92. There is no compared roll or adding of initiative. It's just a straight roll by the player wanting to seize the initiative.

Akbar wrote:Well when you steal the initiative in the beginning of the game, not in cc cause you cant do that at least not that i know of, you roll to see who goes first then add your highest initiative to it. So if you have initiative seven and the other has initiative 5 he has to beat you by 3 or more, because the one with higher base initiative wins ties. Correct? Or do you just roll and not even add initiative?

Did you read the rules? It says the player going second can try and steal the initiative. He rolls a die, and on a 6, he gets to go first.

That's the rule, plain and simple.

EDIT: Ninja'd!

Well the guy that i play with doesn't know how to read, we are constantly having to look up stuff after a game, and then we find out that he read it wrong, or that he didn't even read it at all.

Akbar wrote:Well the guy that i play with doesn't know how to read, we are constantly having to look up stuff after a game, and then we find out that he read it wrong, or that he didn't even read it at all.

The way he told you it worked was sort-of how it worked in 4th.

Akbar wrote:Well the guy that i play with doesn't know how to read, we are constantly having to look up stuff after a game, and then we find out that he read it wrong, or that he didn't even read it at all.

If neither of you know how the rule works, that's not just the other guy's fault...

Why would i look if he knew how it works? As of now im going to check all the rules lol, but before i just took it for what he said it was. He also had the infiltrate rule messed up, plus he there is a mistype in the SM rulebook saying the Vindicator's main weapon, the destroyer i believe, is barrage.

Yeah its not barrage says in the FAQ. Although i can imagine a demolisher cannon fireing up like some kind of mortar.

Akbar wrote:Why would i look if he knew how it works?

The point is that it is both player's responsibility to know the rules. If you don't know how a given rule works, your opponent says he does, and you take his word for it, it's as much your fault as his if you wind up playing it incorrectly.

There's no point getting grumpy at him for not knowing the rule when you didn't know it either.


Particularly since, ultimately, it's not really a big deal. If getting every single rule 100% correct is important to you, then by all means check every rule you're not sure of. But if you're just playing a friendly game, getting the odd rule wrong shouldn't really matter that much.