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A 5-wide block of troops is steadfast when fighing against a unit with 0 ranks, up until the point that it:

A. Has 9 models left

or

B. Has 4 models left

I.e., does the first rank count as having a rank for the purposes of being steadfast? I.e., if 5 normal troops are fighting 30 skirmishers, the troops are steadfast? the This might seem obvious, but it's been unclear/played differently in all of the 8th edition games I've played so far...

Sorry if this has already been answered somewhere on here!

5 wide (3 for Monstrous dudes) is a rank. The confusion lies with trying to say rank is synonymous with Extra Ranks (aka combat resolution). It's a habit many of us are guilty.

Those first 5/3 count for Steadfast vs things like Dragons, Chariots and such AFAIK.

Ranks /= Rank bonus. So 4 is the answer...

It is a common mistake!

That's what I thought! People at the store thought it was too harsh on my skirmishers, and made it 9... but I think it's pretty obvious now that it should be 4.

Thanks!