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Higher State of Consciousness: only magical attacks have any affect upon the slann.

does this mean they cannot be harmed by close combat and and shooting attacks?
if so how does this affect "being locked in close combat" ?

It functions exactly as normal, except non-magical attacks can't harm him. In other words, it'll go like this:

slann charged by a block, no one can hurt him. He in return whiffs his single S3 attack. The opponent has 3 or 4 combat res from ranks, charging and standard, slann probably breaks and is run down.

higher state lets him hang around outside a block and laugh at crossbows, bolthrowers, etc. But with dwarves and skaven having access to so much magic shooting (magic cannons and warpstone jezzails and the like in particular), and the rediculous charge ranges units can pull, it's not as wtfawesome as it first sounds. Ask a vampire counts player how their ethereal wizards work out; usually rather shrugworthy.

The Angry Commissar wrote:Higher State of Consciousness: only magical attacks have any affect upon the slann.

does this mean they cannot be harmed by close combat and and shooting attacks?

Unless the attacks are magical, no they can not be harmed.

if so how does this affect "being locked in close combat" ?

You are still locked in combat, you just can only be hurt by magical attacks. Remember that you can still be defeated in combat by static resolution though.

Can they really get overrun and slain? I know that's another RAW, but what are they going to slay them with when they can't hurt them? Seems odd.

DukeRustfield wrote:Can they really get overrun and slain? I know that's another RAW, but what are they going to slay them with when they can't hurt them? Seems odd.

OVerrun doesnt necessarily mean slain...

They could capture him as a prisoner.
He just ran away from the battle.
etc etc.

I also noticed in the new FAQ:

Q: If a model with the Ethereal and Unstable special rules loses
combat, does it suffer an extra Wound for every point it lost combat
by? (p68)
A: Yes.


So, presumably the unhurtable creature is so upset it didn't do enough dmg it beats itself up But yeah, seems okay. It can't be made TOO powerful and it's pretty nice as it is.

That's not for the Slann though - he can get Ethereal but not Unstable. That's for the ethereal guys in the VC army.

Yeah, I know. But I'm just saying that in other instances, an Ethereal-type creature can be injured as part of a combat resolution, even if what it was fighting couldn't actually hurt it.

Even better - a Slaan BSB dies without even being run down if he breaks....

nosferatu1001 wrote:Even better - a Slaan BSB dies without even being run down if he breaks....

do wonder why a hero can't save the battle standard ... hell cripple him so he only rolls a single D6; surely if any ones going to protect the standard its going to be him.

Tri wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:Even better - a Slaan BSB dies without even being run down if he breaks....

do wonder why a hero can't save the battle standard ... hell cripple him so he only rolls a single D6; surely if any ones going to protect the standard its going to be him.

I encountered this in a game tonight....

Slann bsb is a thing of the past. If his unit breaks by the rules he must stay behind and be auto slain....

Scar vet ftw!!!

Isn't there a Magic Item in the rule book that I am told gives the wearer Stubborn? Put that on a Slann BSB and he'll never break with that LD9 and Cold Blooded.

Isn't there a Magic Item in the rule book that I am told gives the wearer Stubborn? Put that on a Slann BSB and he'll never break with that LD9 and Cold Blooded.

I thought if he is in temple guard they become stubborn. So he is very very rarely going to break.

Wow good catch. Yeah, they should be Stubborn and Immune to Psychology. Lord Kroak = Unbreakable

With a temple guard of course.

Or just run him by himself, you really dont want him in a unit.

give him ethereal and the 2+ ward and youre good to go!

I'd still run him with temple guard. Pretty much protects him from combat, and he can bring the TG back to life with the spells in the lore of life.

Remember, if the Slann is with TG they are stubborn. Cold blooded, Stubborn, LD 9 with a Slann BSB.... If you break from combat, you need new dice

But in the off chance you do get beat, then yes like the others have said, your Slann is toast.

I would throw a Standard of Discipline on the Slann. This boosts it's Ld to 10. If a Temple Gaurd unit containing that guy runs, the dice gods hate you.

That reminds me, the standard of discipline says that the banner cannot benefit from inspiring presence, but can inspiring presence benefit from the banner?

Crazy_Carnifex wrote:I would throw a Standard of Discipline on the Slann. This boosts it's Ld to 10. If a Temple Gaurd unit containing that guy runs, the dice gods hate you.

That reminds me, the standard of discipline says that the banner cannot benefit from inspiring presence, but can inspiring presence benefit from the banner?

I would say yes, unless im missing another rule that conflicts with this.

Because of this standard the slann would have a Ld10, but couldnt use the inspiring presence rule, this is moot since he is the general.

When other units use his inspiring presence he is at ld10 cause of the banner.

Yep, how I read it.

The unit he is *with* cannot use it, but that isnt important as the rules for characters supercedes this, and nothing stops him from still having the rule, meaning other units can still benefit from it.

I have a second piece of advice with the banner. Do not calculate the odds of the unit breaking. That would be taunting Murphy.

Crazy_Carnifex wrote:I have a second piece of advice with the banner. Do not calculate the odds of the unit breaking. That would be taunting Murphy.

rerollable Ld10 with cold blood is like 1/440 iirc.

ShivanAngel wrote:

Crazy_Carnifex wrote:I have a second piece of advice with the banner. Do not calculate the odds of the unit breaking. That would be taunting Murphy.

rerollable Ld10 with cold blood is like 1/440 iirc.

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