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I like the tyranid malanthrope and wouldent mind useing it in an apocalypse but it has the same problem
as the hierophant with warp field. I want it to have 3++ because of the warp field and was wondering how many points
people think it should be increased to or if it should be increased ?
(its 150 points)

Oh god not this discussion again...

People say that if you follow RAW, the Warp Field Psychic Power gives you a 3++. The Hierophant or Malanthrope does not have the Warp Field Psychic Power: The have the Warp Field Biomorph. Some would also claim that following RAW would mean that only Zoanthropes would get a 3++. Also, giving the Hierophant or Malanthrope a 3++ would be grossly overpowered, even for Apocalypse.

Ok but what about th & ss terminator no one complaints about them being "grossly overpowered" and there no even apocalypse.

Because they're T4, not a monstrous creature with high toughness and number of wounds.

Double the points, possibly more - you are increasing survivability by a HUGE factor.

nosferatu1001 wrote:Because they're T4, not a monstrous creature with high toughness and number of wounds.

Double the points, possibly more - you are increasing survivability by a HUGE factor.

Ok but it is apocalypse im talking about and there gonna be a few lascanons or equivilants that will would a terminator with the same easy as it will wound a Malanthrope

Yeah, but the Maltanthrope is, what, T6 with a 3++. Lascannons will wound it easily, but they still have the 3++, and whereas a Termie would suffer ID, the Malanthrope would suffer only 1 wound.

Yes, I know you're talking about Apocalypse. That is irrelevant.

This should be in "proposed rules" as it does NOT get a 3++ save, so I would suggest it gets moved. In addition - try it out by erring ont he side of caution. If at double poin ts it still seems powerful, up the points cost. Thats the only fair way to do it.

Valkyrie wrote:Yeah, but the Maltanthrope is, what, T6 with a 3++. Lascannons will wound it easily, but they still have the 3++, and whereas a Termie would suffer ID, the Malanthrope would suffer only 1 wound.

Yeah that right the 1 wound termis will suffer id


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nosferatu1001 wrote:Yes, I know you're talking about Apocalypse. That is irrelevant.

This should be in "proposed rules" as it does NOT get a 3++ save, so I would suggest it gets moved. In addition - try it out by erring ont he side of caution. If at double poin ts it still seems powerful, up the points cost. Thats the only fair way to do it.

Ok well thank, if i do use it i will probley speak with the people im playing with anyway.

cheapbuster wrote: I want it to have 3++ because of the warp field and was wondering how many points
people think it should be increased to or if it should be increased ?

That sort of question is more suited to Proposed Rules than YMDC. YMDC is for questions about how the rules work, not for discussing how to modify them.

Moving it now.