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Made in gb
Commoragh-bound Peer





Felixstowe, England

So there's a tournament coming up in august, I dont have many models but i managed to put this list together, opinons very welcome!

HQ
-Dracon
Pistol
Agoniser
Shadowfield

(101 pts)


TROOPS
-5 Man raider squad
Splinter cannon
Sybarite with Agoniser
Mounted in a raider

(131 pts)

-5 Man raider squad
Splinter cannon
Sybarite with Agoniser
Mounted in a raider

(131 pts)

-5 Man raider squad
Dark lance
Raider with night shields

(120 pts)

-5 Man raider squad
Dark lance
Raider with night shields

(120 pts)

-10 Man warrior squad
2x Dark lance

(100 pts)

ELITES

-7 Man wych squad with wych weapons
Succubus with Agoniser and combat drugs
Mounted in a raider

(189 pts)

HEAVY SUPPORT
Ravager

(105 pts)

Total 997 pts.


I was thinking of dropping the night shields and swapping the S/cannons for blasters so I have enough points to put the Dracon on a reaver jet bike. Whats the opinions on him going solo or joining the wyches??

Kabal Of The Eclipsed Sun. 1500 pts
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Venice, Florida

Dr Chris wrote:HQ
-Dracon
Pistol
Agoniser
Shadowfield

The combat drugs you put on the Wych Succubus should come here instead, it makes a dramatic difference on the combat functionality of the Lord.

TROOPS
-5 Man raider squad
Splinter cannon
Sybarite with Agoniser
Mounted in a raider

I love Gunboats.
I love assaulting with gunboat squads.

I do not like this.

First off, are you planning this to be a dedicated assault squad? Or is it just a squad that might need to assault something (maybe paired with a combi charge of Wyches/Lord?). If it is to be dedicated for assault purposes then you need more then five men to help give you a numerical press at your high initiative and to help you survive to later rounds of combat. In this case you need five more men and probably should invest in a trophy rack (or really a haemonculous). If the Agoniser is just there to help scare off opponents or to give you the illusion of a chance in h2h combat then you can save 15 points *each squad* by simply buying poison blades and leaving the expensive Agonisers at home. Frankly, if you want them mostly shooting you can save points and not even buy the Sybarite at all, if a five man squad is outside of its Raider it's probably dead anyway.

Also, buy the blaster. Whether you want the squad shooting or assaulting then the blaster is an amazing investment that will help kill heavier armor targets *and* give the squad an option to shoot at transports if needed all for practically peanuts in cost.

-5 Man raider squad
Dark lance
Raider with night shields

I like these.

-10 Man warrior squad
2x Dark lance

I like that you're fielding a lot of troop slots - that's a very mart and proper DE plan. This is an excellent unit.

-7 Man wych squad with wych weapons
Succubus with Agoniser and combat drugs
Mounted in a raider

As noted earlier, these drugs should come off the Succubus and be put onto the Lord. Will you really be wanting to risk your Succubi by ever taking 2 drugs? Just let her use her squad's drug, she'll be fine.

The Wyches should take Blasters too. Blasters will let them threaten vehicles, which otherwise they couldn't (the more every unit in your army can threaten every type of enemy unit the better off your army will be in any situation). Also, you can use the Wyches as a Gunboat if you don't want/need to disembark. Finally, do the math. Losing out on 2 Str 3 non power weapon swings is not a big deal if you gain two Str 8 AP 3 swings that happen before combat even starts. Take blasters.

HEAVY SUPPORT
Ravager

I love Ravagers, you can do almost no wrong with them. Considering your sniper boats have N.shields I'd tend to advocate investing in n.shields here. Also, at 1000 points, I might also advise making this a 3 Dissie Ravager, your army needs more anti-horde tech in my opinion.

Overall I see dropping the sybarites as the best way to pay for all the various suggestions I have made. The second best drop would be the nightshields, which are more of a luxury item in my opinion (though many disagree)

I was thinking of dropping the night shields and swapping the S/cannons for blasters so I have enough points to put the Dracon on a reaver jet bike.

A Lord on a RJB is *totally* different then one on foot (first off realize that you would want to upgrade to a Punisher/t.helm combo and drop the Agoniser if you did this). RJB lords are probably a touch less competitive then foot lords, so unless you feel confident in your capabilities I probably would not recommend the switch. I certainly wouldn't give up the S.Cannons as they're about your only tool for dealing with swarming Orks/Nids

Whats the opinions on him going solo or joining the wyches??

I'd join him with one of the Gunboats, honestly. If you put him with your Wyches and your opponent doesn't want to get assaulted he has to destroy one Raider (this is easy to do0
If you put him in a Gunboat then your opponent will now need to destroy two Raiders (this is still sadly easy, but it's twice as difficult as destroying one - which is good)

When the Gunboat gets close have the lord jump out alone and go assault stuff. With the Agoniser you're better at killing big stuff (Tyrannid MCs, Daemon Princes, et al) but you can still troop hunt as long as you take the right drugs, like =1 attack and re-rolling misses.

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i agree with most of wht thor said. Combat drugs off the succubi (drugs are a waste of points on one wound models) and onto the dracon. I would add blasters (keeping the SC's!) into the raider squads, and also, if possible, add more guys. If you have ravagers, drop the wyches for them, at 1000 points ravagers are imo a hundred times better for their cost.

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Just a note on the wyches:

7 wyches with wych weapons
1 Succubus with agoniser

There are not enough points to reflect a drug dispenser in 187 points so what Dr Chris has listed is what the squad gets for free, not a 25 point dispenser.

I also would Strongly recommend that you give the wyches plasma grenades - hands down, free and clear lead pipe lock (even if it means losing the blasters).

I too also want to see 2 blasters in the squad as well though and if it means dropping them down to a total of 6 (from currently being 8) I'd do it. The blasters gives them a presence in the shooting phase and allows them to get rid of the pesky rhino or wave serpent in the closing turns of the game - remember, its easier to kill a space marine with a blaster than it is with a hand slap.

Just looking out for my wych brethren - carry on.
   
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i dunno kwi, you slap your opponent and he falls on the table, you very well could have killed quite a few marines (and guys of your own..) and ended the game

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Not sure if you understood what I wrote - I wanted to see him drop the wych squad down in size to add plasma and blasters.

We should know it is far easier to kill a marine with a blaster than it is with a str. 3 slap in cc and when you take the blaster you only lose 1 attack (or 2 attacks including the other wych).

Do we really want to compare how 2 blasters do versus the 2 lost hand slaps when fighting marines?
   
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goodness, you make one joke and everyone comes after you, including the bear with a bat... Yes, i realize that the blasters are better, goodness.

but to be technically correct, he would be losing an additional entire wych's worth of attacks for dropping the squad size, but again, you still do better with blaster kills

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Lethal Lhamean






Venice, Florida

Beware of bears with bats.

That said I'll note that I would rather have blasters then plasma grenades in my Wych squads. The grenades are ace, but I consider them secondary to gunboat and anti vehicle potential.

Thor665's Dark Eldar Tactica - A comprehensive guide to all things DE (Totally finished...till I update bits and pieces!)
Thor665's battle reports DE vs. assorted armies.
Splintermind: The Dark Eldar Podcast It's a podcast, about Dark Eldar.
Dashofpepper wrote:Thor665 is actually a Dark Eldar god, manifested into electronic bytes and presented here on dakkadakka to bring pain and destruction to all lesser races. Read his tactica, read his forums posts, and when he deigns to critique or advise you directly, bookmark it and pay attention.
 
   
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Kabal of Night's Wish wrote:goodness, you make one joke and everyone comes after you, including the bear with a bat... Yes, i realize that the blasters are better, goodness.


Oops! lol, sorry about that, I do sound kinda nerd rage going on there.

As I get to know ya I'll know better!
   
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no problem bro, i knew it was just com error =P

And you'd think after all those months on 40kO we'd already know each other? you should lurk less, type more

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