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If your wizard is reduced to level 0, does he no longer count as a wizard? I remember in 7th it explicitly said that, however all I can find in 8th is that wizards have levels, ranging from 1-4.

What reduces your Wizard level?

In any case, from the hip I would just say they are still Wizards and they get whatever bonus their level confers. In this case, 0.

Miscasting can reduce your wizard level, as well as certain magic items. One example, is the ogre kingdom's Greedyfist. Each successful Hit scored on a wizard reduces his wizard level by 1. Usually not a big deal, because odds are when an ogre hero is hitting a wizard, the wizard isnt going to be standing after its over.. but against vampires or ethereal high elves....

The way my group has been playing, we say that if you are reduced to a lvl 0 wizard you no longer count as a wizard for channeling purposes.

Think of it this way, you make a miscast and all of the magical energy is ripped out of your body, so you cannot use anymore magical powers.

Soo what happens if you're a level 0 wizard with 1/2 spells :O!

considering non-wizards can use bound items that use power dice.

I'd say a level 0 wizard just has no + to cast/dispell rolls.
Also i'd agree with no channelling
But if he still knows how to cast spells then he technically is still a wizard!! ??

If you do miscast and lose wizard levels, don't you also lose just as many spells? As far as I remember any miscast which causes you to lose wizard levels does this as well.

If you somehow end up a lvl 0 wizard without losing spells then I'd say that you can cast, but lose your ability to channel and bonuses to cast/dispell.

Conversely, in the brb it states that a wizard knows as many spells as he has levels. That would give you a RaW arguement that since he has become a lvl 0 wizard that he no longer knows any spells unless there is a big in the book which covers this.

It's the Wizards with Loremaster who could get to level 0 and still have spells. They start out with 7 spells and only 4 wizard levels to lose.

Then there's my Skink with the Plaque of Tepok riding on an Engine of the Gods. If he loses both of his Wizard levels, he still has 1 spell, and counts as a Wizard of 1 level higher when casting/dispelling when he's on the Engine.

The big problem I have seen has been wit vamps being able to case invocation while being a lvl 0 wizard. My group has decided that it wouldn't make sense for these 'non' wizards to use spells.

Bound items are all together different because all types of characters can have bound items and use them.

But, seeing as this wasn't addressed in the FAQ, I think that you really need to address this with your gaming group and see what works best with me. As I said though, the way my group does it seems to work the best, in my opinion.

Once a wizard reaches level 0, he ceases to count as a wizard anymore. Its in the miscast chart if I remember correctly

It's not there. It it was in the Mistcast Table (or anywhere else), then there wouldn't be cause for confusion.

I would say the wizard is no longer a wizard for any purposes but that is only doing what I find makes sense. If a wizard's level indicates power I am sure Lvl 0 is nothing.

Edit: from looking at the wording I think that they are outside the boundary of 1-4 so no longer wizards.

It's a tricky one. Though fortunately rare.

Miscast is a miscast. The result specifically says "and he forgets a single spell for each..." which doesn't necessarily imply that whenever they lose a level from any source they lose a spell. I read that just to be an extra condition of the miscast.

It does say on p28 that Wizards have a level from 1 to 4. But then again, miscasts also say you can only be reduced to 0. Which might imply they are no longer a "Wizard" or they didn't want to have negative level Wizards.

Likewise, it says spells are rolled for at the start of each battle. No allowences are made (other than a Miscast or some items) for ever losing spells.

I'm kind of on the fence on this one. I think it disproportionately hurts low level mages, who already have their costs factored in by being...low level mages and generally weaker overall. It would (at least slightly) make them less valuable and push people to use the higher lvl casters.

An extreme analogy would be like if a melee hero missed, he could never attack again. So you'd quickly see heroes with moderate Weapon Skill, regardless of their other attributes, shelved in favor of the uber high WS or those that always hit.

I'll throw out another question, which happened in a game last night: my level 1 wizard miscasted, lost his only spell and a wizard level, but still had a scroll. May he use it?

It didn't come up because I didn't need the scroll against a slann-less lizardmen list, but it could matter someday

solkan wrote:It's not there. It it was in the Mistcast Table (or anywhere else), then there wouldn't be cause for confusion.

I'm almost certain I saw it somewhere, gonna trawl through the FAQS now

Malleus wrote:I'll throw out another question, which happened in a game last night: my level 1 wizard miscasted, lost his only spell and a wizard level, but still had a scroll. May he use it?

It didn't come up because I didn't need the scroll against a slann-less lizardmen list, but it could matter someday

No, he may not. pg 504 under Arcane items has the relevant passage.

DukeRustfield wrote:It's a tricky one. Though fortunately rare.

Miscast is a miscast. The result specifically says "and he forgets a single spell for each..." which doesn't necessarily imply that whenever they lose a level from any source they lose a spell. I read that just to be an extra condition of the miscast.

It does say on p28 that Wizards have a level from 1 to 4. But then again, miscasts also say you can only be reduced to 0. Which might imply they are no longer a "Wizard" or they didn't want to have negative level Wizards.

I'd treat the p. 28 line as an explicit definition - Wizards have a level from 1 to 4, and if they no longer have a level from 1 to 4, then they are no longer a wizard.

The way we play at my local GW is that you are still a wizard but you can't cast. You can still channel as normal. Arcane Items raise another question though… It says "Only a wizard with a level may carry an arcane item". Does this mean that they would still be a wizard with no arcane items and spells?

AS above - I would say you are no longer a wizard, as a wizard is defined as having levels 1 - 4. IF you do not have a wizard level you are not, by the BRB definition, a wizard, and therefore any arcane items you carry are gone, you cannot channel, etc.

p504 i think indirectly covers this, as to use an arcane item you must have a wizard level. if your level is 0 your not a wizard, and the magical energies dont work for you.

Note that has been faq'ed. A level 0 wizard is still a wizard, but cannot cast spells.

Yes, on first read, it looks like they can:

- Channel for power and dispel dice
- Be affected by things that target wizards
- Maintain RIP spells
- Use arcane items

Probably forgetting things. Nice to have it cleared up...

Red_Zeke wrote:Yes, on first read, it looks like they can:

- Channel for power and dispel dice
- Be affected by things that target wizards
- Maintain RIP spells
- Use arcane items

Probably forgetting things. Nice to have it cleared up...

Except the BRB states on pg 504 that only a character with a wizard level can carry an arcane item.

So he drops it upon hitting level 0?

His wizard level would be 0... which as the new FAQ states is an acceptible level to qualify as a wizard.

So now the levels of Wizards are 0-5

5?

I meant 4... lol

Damn 4 button is too close to the 5 button.

You got me.

Lehnsherr wrote:I meant 4... lol

Damn 4 button is too close to the 5 button.

You got me.

I don't know about your keyboard, but my '4' key and '5' key are nowhere NEAR eachother.


/tongue firmly in cheek.