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Okay we ran into a little confusion last game, I assaulted a Space Marine Termy unit, with a Tomb Spyder and it's unit of Scarabs, (The Tomb Spyder created them previously)

Now the Scarabs were ahead of the Spyder, physically. My opponent said that the Spyder shouldn't get its attacks because it wasn't in base contact, even though it was within 2" of Scarab base that was in contact, because "monsterous creatures are like independent characters"

I said that since the Spyder and Scarabs are part of the unit it does get it's attacks. We rolled for it and I won, but I wanted the opinion of others.

Additionally he independantly targeted the Spyder in assualt, so the scarabs would disappear, can he do that?

Seether00

He is wrong. MCs do not follow IC rules for close combat. As such they only need to be within 2" of anothe rmember of their unit in b2b to attack, and cannot be targetted.

Then a follow up question? C

Can another Independant character target the Spyder

Like I had his Librarian in base with the Spyder and its Scarabs and he said we was sending all his attacks into the Spyder, he can't do that?

Seether00

No cause it's still not an IC in hand to hand. It's just like any other unit where you get to allocate the wounds.

I can somewhat understand that he is saying. I mean an MC in the same unit as a bunch of non MC does not at all come up all that often. I think this is one of the only times this does come up.

As long as the spyder and scarabs are in the same squad he can not in anyway target your MC in close combat. Be it with an IC or a normal group of units. All the attacks will be allocated to the spyder/scarab squad as you would a normal squad.

When you allocate wounds be sure to put wounds from the Librarians Force Weapon on the Scarab base as well

Also, he needs to resolve his attacks against majority toughness (in this case the Spyders) which makes the unit as a whole pretty impresive.

Majority toughness = why you only make one scarab base per spyder.

Also this combination comes with with tyrant guard as well, so it's not that rare.

How is a Spyder and one Scarab base majority toughness?

A Scrarab base has 3 wounds and a Spyder has 2.

Seether00 wrote:How is a Spyder and one Scarab base majority toughness?

A Scrarab base has 3 wounds and a Spyder has 2.

Majority toughness is based off of number of model's not number of wounds.

IIRC 4th Edition was # of wounds, 5th is now # of models.

Maelstrom808 wrote:IIRC 4th Edition was # of wounds, 5th is now # of models.

No I think even back then it was still # of models...My spyder never creates more than 1 scarab at a time.

No you are right, the difference was 4th used lowest toughness in the case of no majority, and 5th uses highest. I knew there was a reason I never made scarabs in 4th but it had been so long since I played it, I couldn't remember.