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So a unit under half strength cannot rally. So is that it for that unit, they keep fleeing until they leave the table? Can they join other similar units and then rally, or do you need some special rule like the Avatars fearless bubble to save them? Anyone know?

You can't Rally once you have been broken under 50%, unless you have a rule saying you (Shall know no fear for the space marines, Avatar for the Eldar). Check out pg. 46 in the rulebook under regrouping.

Sigmatron wrote:You can't Rally once you have been broken under 50%, unless you have a rule saying you (Shall know no fear for the space marines, Avatar for the Eldar). Check out pg. 46 in the rulebook under regrouping.

100% correct, you can still fire while falling back, but unless they have a special rule or what not kiss them goodbye.

If the under 50% unit gets assulted while broken it makes a morale test and if it passes it rallies, and if it fails it dies. That is some what a chance to rally under 50%, your opponent has to be stupid, but......

What everyone said is true, however most factions do have rules to bypass this. E.g. Tyranid synapse fearlessness, Tau bonding knives, SM and Eldar were mentioned, etc.

Thanks for clarifying guys, seems pretty harsh, those 5 man squads are less appealing now!

Eh 5 man units you have lost 3 the unit is going to be dead soon enough lol. The worst is if it's like a 21 man unit and you lose 10

What if you break a unit in CC, but it's above 50%...then in your shooting phase (while said unit is still 'broken' you kill off a few more and take them below 50%?

BlueDagger wrote:The worst is if it's like a 21 man unit and you lose 11

Fixed.

dkellyj wrote:What if you break a unit in CC, but it's above 50%...then in your shooting phase (while said unit is still 'broken' you kill off a few more and take them below 50%?

They can not rally

dkellyj wrote:What if you break a unit in CC, but it's above 50%...then in your shooting phase (while said unit is still 'broken' you kill off a few more and take them below 50%?

If, at the time of the test, the unit is below 50%, then it cannot rally unless some special rule allows it the opportunity to do so.

dkellyj wrote:What if you break a unit in CC, but it's above 50%...then in your shooting phase (while said unit is still 'broken' you kill off a few more and take them below 50%?

As others have said yup they cannot regroup then, and I'll add that that is an excellent tactical decision to do. Another thing to remember is that marines cannot use ATSKNF and regroup when an enemy model is within 6". So use one of your models or units to escort them off the board. Once a friend of mine chose to fail a morale check on a group of 8 terminators to get them out of assault range, but I made sure to end the turn with a different unit within 6" and his 8 termies ran right off the board,

ok, if the unit is below 50%, falling back, theres NO regrouping! (unless its one of the speacial units listed above.)

nirvana69 wrote:ok, if the unit is below 50%, falling back, theres NO regrouping! (unless its one of the speacial units listed above.)

Unless it has a special rule allowing it to regroup, as I know the list above is not all-inclusive. They mention:

Tyranid synapse fearlessness
Tau bonding knives
SM ATSKNF
Eldar Avatar

There's also:
Sisters of Battle, one of their Faith Point abilities
IG, Orders, Get Back in the Fight

Probably others I'm not remembering right now.

And some of these even ignore the enemy within 6" restriction.

Viper217 wrote:

dkellyj wrote:What if you break a unit in CC, but it's above 50%...then in your shooting phase (while said unit is still 'broken' you kill off a few more and take them below 50%?

As others have said yup they cannot regroup then, and I'll add that that is an excellent tactical decision to do. Another thing to remember is that marines cannot use ATSKNF and regroup when an enemy model is within 6". So use one of your models or units to escort them off the board. Once a friend of mine chose to fail a morale check on a group of 8 terminators to get them out of assault range, but I made sure to end the turn with a different unit within 6" and his 8 termies ran right off the board,

Could you point out the rule that says ATSKNF does not allow a regroup if an enemy is within 6"? I haven't been able to determine where this comes from.

Because they automtically pass the test; nothing states they automatically meet all the criteria for the test.

If an enemy is within 6" you never even get to take the test, therefore ATSKNF is useless.

If you have a unit falling back with an IC, can he detach and rally even if the unit cannot?

though all other criteria apply.

Page 51, first sentance under the ATSKNF rule.

If you are out of coherancy or within 6 inches fo the enemy then ATSKNF will not work. It only overrides one of the conditions, not all three.

Heffling wrote:If you have a unit falling back with an IC, can he detach and rally even if the unit cannot?

No, BRB pg 48