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Hi, im curious as to which list is superior to the other. ive been running with list one, but the fire prisms arent too reliable when it comes to enemy armor.

List one:

Farseer - doom, guide, SS, RoW, RoWa
Farseer - doom, guide, SS

10x DA, Exarch, twin cats, bladestorm
-Waveserpent, TL SC

10x DA, Exarch, twin cats, bladestorm
-Waveserpent, TL SC

Fire Prism
Fire Prism

List two:

Farseer - doom

10x DA, Exarch, twin cats, bladestorm
-Waveserpent, TL SC

10x DA, Exarch, twin cats, bladestorm
-Waveserpent, TL SC

5x Fire Dragons
-Waveserpent, TL SC

Fire Prism
Fire Prism

also, can anyone with any Avatar/guardian list experience show me a sample list?

maybe for more Anti tank in the first list, drop a farseer and add EML/BL to the serpents?

I have a similar list that I play this right now.

Seer
10 DA(same upgrades) in serpent with shruiken cannon and vectored engine
10 DA(same upgrades) in serpent with missile laucher
fire prism
fire prism
night spinner



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I personally like the second one better because 2 doom seers are just big waste.And you can beat up tanks easily with the dragons, I forgot why I didnt put dragons into my list

The lists really depend on what you are facing, if you are use to facing a lot of foot then list one for dual proper bladestorm, but if you are facing mech heavy then list two since it has anti tank.

Honestly C: none of the above.

Bladestormers without guide/doom vs MEQ isn't going to fly and the lack of long range AT is going to put you at risk. If you face MEQ they should know to down your Prisms ASAP as it'll be the only real threat to them.

I'd say one pay of Bladestorm with a doom/guide seer and maybe a 5 man DA. Give 5 man BL or EML and give the bladestormers scatter at a minimum. You then can fill out the rest of the points as you see fit.

I ran a list very similar to your second one today.

Only difference is I had doom and both runes on my farseer, and a squad of 10 Storm Guardians with a destructor lock and 2 flamers, instead of one of the Avenger squads.

I played against Tyranids, and ended up losing- primarily because he must have sacrificed a small child to the dice gods... He was insanely lucky with his to hits, his pens, and his damage table results. Not to mention all his units making armor saves like it was their job. He was even lucky that the game didn't continue to the last turn... as if it had ended after the 5th or the 6th it would have been a draw.

However, the list itself is solid, however I would recommend doing what I did and swap 1 avenger squad for stormies, and buying runes of warding for your Farseer. Having a psychic defense which blocks enemy powers 50% of the time and forcing perils of the warp 40% is a great buy for 15 points. And having flamer templates is nice for units bunching up and cowering in cover from the dire avengers.

The tl shuri catapults are not bad at anti transport, yes they do need a 6 to pen a rhino in most circumstances, but with 3 of them twin linked, they'll at least shake or stun em to slow em up.


An avatar guardian list at this level likely won't be as competitive as a mech list, however I would imagine it would look something like this at 1000 points.

155) Avatar

095) Farseer- fortune, witnessing

186) 7 harlies- 5 kisses, shadowseer, death jester

135) 10 Gardians + warlock- conceal, eml

135) 10 Guardians + warlock- conceal, eml

140) Wraithlord- sword, lance

140) Wraithlord- sword, lance

I know its supposed to be either eml + lance, or just sword, but you'll be needing the lances to pop heavier tanks as you march merrily up the field. The toughest part about this list is how difficult it will be to keep the guardians alive, although they can probably just sit on objectives and plink with the eml, the shadowseer can babysit the wraiths, and the farseer can chill with them.

Ah the nightspinner!, where do you find info on the spinner as it is not in the codex?

also, what about dual scatter war walkers outflanking?

my fireprism rarely put down any hurt because my scatter rolls are horrific. im looking more towards having solid shot weaponry on my serpents.

also, fire dragons seem to be a one shot unit. whereas they disembark, pop a tank, then get all the enemy fire the next round.

The rules for the Spinner were in a WD a couple of months back,the one showcasing the mini for the IG Deathstrike/Manticore and Spearhead rules/mission types.The WW would work,coming in as close as possible to an opponents army on either side they would take attention away from say,FD in a Serpent and help to keep your A/T alive for at least a turn more.

I have a question guys:
How do you keep your fire prisms alive?As I've posted before this, I have a list depending on my frisms.


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And I love night spinners for semi competitive games, even in competitive games I use them for the heck of it

The 2nd list is better. You don't need two Farseers.
They are just support characters.

Should i try to incorporate eldrad?

amhhs wrote:Should i try to incorporate eldrad?

Not at this point lvl. One seer with doom and runes is enough support. I also say list 2.

Cegorach the laughing god

list two

I agree, list two is definitely better. You don't need two farseers at 1000 pts and the fire dragons are much more reliable than fire prisms at killing tanks. This probably is not possible but maybe incorproate a falcon for the fire dragons? Holofields are amazing and as an ork/chaos player it really sucks to play against them.


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I agree, list two is definitely better. You don't need two farseers at 1000 pts and the fire dragons are much more reliable than fire prisms at killing tanks. This probably is not possible but maybe incorproate a falcon for the fire dragons? Holofields are amazing and as an ork/chaos player it really sucks to play against them.