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Apologies if this has already been posted, didn't see it anywhere, but:

In the Space Marine codex, under Tactical Squad and Sternguard Veteran Squad (the only two I looked at) it says that you can take a Rhino or Razorback as a dedicated transport, and squads number 10 members may take a Drop Pod.

Now it doesn't specify a minimum (or maximum) squad size for the Rhino or the Razorback. The Razorback can carry 6 models.

So my question to you is this:

Can a ten-man Sternguard (or Tac) squad take a Razorback as a dedicated transport and either 1) just use it as a cheap mobile weapon platform or 2) combat-squad and half the full squad uses it as a transport?

Is this allowed?

Because this sounds like a relatively cheap way to get a twin-linked lascannon on the field (at 75 points, 100 less than a las predator).

SaintHazard wrote:Apologies if this has already been posted, didn't see it anywhere, but:

In the Space Marine codex, under Tactical Squad and Sternguard Veteran Squad (the only two I looked at) it says that you can take a Rhino or Razorback as a dedicated transport, and squads number 10 members may take a Drop Pod.

Now it doesn't specify a minimum (or maximum) squad size for the Rhino or the Razorback. The Razorback can carry 6 models.

So my question to you is this:

Can a ten-man Sternguard (or Tac) squad take a Razorback as a dedicated transport and either 1) just use it as a cheap mobile weapon platform or 2) combat-squad and half the full squad uses it as a transport?

Is this allowed?

Because this sounds like a relatively cheap way to get a twin-linked lascannon on the field (at 75 points, 100 less than a las predator).

Yes you can. There's nothing saying that you actually have to put those troops INTO the transport, only that it is bought for them. As a matter of fact, that same transport can drive off and pick up another unit after the game begins, if you want.

That's interesting. Very interesting.

My next question regarding transports (that I quite simply forgot to post in the OP) is regarding firing from one.

I understand open-topped vehicles, but I can't find anything (and it's entirely possible I'm missing it or not looking in the right place) regarding whether troops in a transport count as moving or stationary regarding firing their weapons.

For example, can heavy weapon teams fire from a Chimera? Can Mortars? If so, it seems silly, but useful. What about a Lascannon from a Rhino?

I just never really use dedicated transports except for my Tau, and Tau transports don't have fire points, so I'm new to the whole fire point thing.

This isn't tomfolloery at all, and, yes, troops count as moving if their transport has also moved.

And yes, if a vehicle has a fire point listed on it, anything can be fired out of it!

So heavy weapons essentially can't be fired from vehicles, and rapid fire weapons would have a 12" range, then. When they've moved, that is.

What about IG and issuing orders?

Psychic powers? Can a Librarian use - nevermind those have shooting profiles. I answered that one myself. And the non-shooting psychic powers don't have profiles at all, so I imagine they can be used as well.

...what about Gate of Infinity? Can a Librarian teleport out of a transport?

No, wait, they'd have to disembark first, since you can't move from a transport without disembarking, and it's used in the movement phase.

I like how I'm answering all of my questions here.

I especially like how I'm about to post this even though this is pretty much just me talking to myself.

Don't judge me!

The Inquisition will Judge you regardless.
GUILTY!
(as if their was any doubt)

SaintHazard wrote:

Q1. So heavy weapons essentially can't be fired from vehicles, and rapid fire weapons would have a 12" range, then. When they've moved, that is.

Q2. What about IG and issuing orders?

Don't judge me!

I edited your post so that I could answer it without getting myself confused, hopefully I did not take anything out of context.

A1. Yes, heavy weapons can fire from a vehicle with firepoints so long as the vehicle has not moved. With rapid fire weapons, if the vehicle moves and the fire point is not within 12" you cannot fire the weapon, however, if the vehicle moves the fire point within the the 12" range then it can fire if it moved.

A2. IG can only issue orders from a chimera only because the chimera has the command vehicle rule. Otherwise orders cannot be issued to a squad if the commanding squad is in a vehicle other than chimera.

Nope, you got everything. Thanks for the answers.

It's also important to point out that if a vehicle moved at Cruising speed or higher, embarked units cannot fire at all.

Not trying to thread jack here, but what about moving and shooting from a vehicle that pivoted?

I don't have the exact pages, but I know that normally pivoting on the spot does not count as movement for vehicles (as long as they're not immobolized!). Does this mean that a vehicle could pivot and the embarked passengers can still fire heavy weapons as though the vehicle has not moved?

darkdm wrote:Not trying to thread jack here, but what about moving and shooting from a vehicle that pivoted?

I don't have the exact pages, but I know that normally pivoting on the spot does not count as movement for vehicles (as long as they're not immobolized!). Does this mean that a vehicle could pivot and the embarked passengers can still fire heavy weapons as though the vehicle has not moved?

pivoting on the spot doesn't count as moving... the infantry inside count as stationary if the vehicle was... so pivot away and fire off those heavy weapons!

Hi all, I was going to post a similar transport question myself but this thread is so close I'll just add it here. Can an infantry squad take two dedicated transports, as example a 10 man assault squad that combat squads getting two razorbacks? With combat squads it kind of makes sense to me as each section has the transport option and acts independently. Of course I also see the potential there for spamming twin lascannons easily so it's probably a no-go right?

No. . .

"May take a"

There was some debate about taking a rhino and a drop pod for marines (iirc) that most still agreed was a "No", but was as close to debatable as I have read.

Thank you, I really didn't think so but I'm not up on all of the new fangled rules. It's too bad I can't keep jump packs on one half of the squad and put the other half in a RB but that clearly seems to be out of the question as well.
I'll get over it though. If there are a Land Raider and Storm Raven on the board nobody will bother to shoot at a couple of Rhinos. Like parking beside a Porsche and leaving your car unlocked

everything i was guuna say was already said =P and the razor back is so cheap because it has 1 twin linked lascannon, the predator has 1 TL and 2 regular, plur the armours better.

warboss wrote:

darkdm wrote:Not trying to thread jack here, but what about moving and shooting from a vehicle that pivoted?

I don't have the exact pages, but I know that normally pivoting on the spot does not count as movement for vehicles (as long as they're not immobolized!). Does this mean that a vehicle could pivot and the embarked passengers can still fire heavy weapons as though the vehicle has not moved?

pivoting on the spot doesn't count as moving... the infantry inside count as stationary if the vehicle was... so pivot away and fire off those heavy weapons!

For purposes of shooting. Note that if you pivot and a unit disemabarks after you pivot, then the disembarking unit counts as disembarking from a moving vehicle and that the vehicle may not make any other 'moves'. page 67, main rules.

SaintHazard wrote:Psychic powers? Can a Librarian use - nevermind those have shooting profiles. I answered that one myself. And the non-shooting psychic powers don't have profiles at all, so I imagine they can be used as well.

Correct. The only caveat is that non-shooting psychic powers that require LOS can't be used inside a vehicle.

MasterSlowPoke wrote:

SaintHazard wrote:Psychic powers? Can a Librarian use - nevermind those have shooting profiles. I answered that one myself. And the non-shooting psychic powers don't have profiles at all, so I imagine they can be used as well.

Correct. The only caveat is that non-shooting psychic powers that require LOS can't be used inside a vehicle.

Really? Even the shooting attacks? Hm. Alright then.

No. Non-shooting psychic powers.

MasterSlowPoke wrote:

SaintHazard wrote:Psychic powers? Can a Librarian use - nevermind those have shooting profiles. I answered that one myself. And the non-shooting psychic powers don't have profiles at all, so I imagine they can be used as well.

Correct. The only caveat is that non-shooting psychic powers that require LOS can't be used inside a vehicle.

Unless, of course, they are used from the fire point......................

And you can only use a fire point if you're making a shooting attack. They can't be used solely to get LOS.

You can indeed use non shooting psychic powers from a transport, only needing a fire point if you also need LOS.

See Rulebook FAQ for reference.

Been a while since I read the rulebook FAQ. My bad.