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This is the army I have been playing with against deejaybainbridge (another dakka user) and another friend. I think I've probable won more games than I've lost but maybe only just. Before I added the flamers I had 2 heralds of tzeench who were pretty well tooled up with upgrades but I found they weren't too useful and I kept losing to deejaybainbridge's IG force, but since taking the flamers I don't think I've lost to him at all. Gotta love those flamers. Anyway here goes.

HQ

Herald Of Tzeench
50 pts

Elites

3 x Flamers Of Tzeench
105 pts

Troops

10 x Plaguebearers
Noxious Touch
Icon
Instrument
190 pts

9 x Bloodletters
Fury Of Khorne
Instrument Of Chaos
184 pts

Total 504 pts

As deejaybainbridge says in his army list we aren't really interested in tournaments or anything at the moment we only really do it for fun and as such my army consists mainly of the models I like the most. I'm thinking of adding a squad of 10 Horrors and 10 Daemonettes to boost my points up to around a thousand but the new plastic DP is kinda turning my head a bit too so not really sure what to go for. Anyway let me know what you think dudes and hopefully I'll get some photo's taken of my army over next few days so keep posted.

Cheers.

I strongly recommend not getting the daemonettes. They're fragile, and priced according to 4th edition rules (when a 5++ was more useful, fleet was significant, and rending was more powerful - changes to basic rules were not kind to the 'nettes).

I do suggest MCs and/or models with Bolt of Tzeentch, for anti-vehicle capability. You could always upgrade the herald to put him on a chariot, though admittedly that does take a fair amount of modeling work. Horrors are useful, if also a little more fragile than you might think, and you should definitely add in the Changeling.

The plaguebearers are good, but at low points like the 500pt list you have, multiple small units of them would be more effective. 2 units of 5 plaguebearers would probably last longer. Also, at low points noxious touch isnt really useful. It only works on 1 model so its kind of a waste when everyone wounds on a 4 anyways.

You can also save points by getting rid of fury of Khorne and all the instruments.

I also agree the changeling while doesn't always work, is really awesome for his points.

Also, the herald gets nasty when put on a chariot. He is a cheap HQ and has amazing versatility.

As for DP's, NURGLE! A nurgle DP with wings and Daemonic Gaze can ruin someones day. At 1000pts, I my brother tries to fit 3 in if he can. (trust in the fact that I have lost to this setup many times over...and can vouche for its effectiveness).

If I were to run a 500 or 1000 point list, here is what I would field.

500pts
HEADQUARTERS:
Herald of Tzeentch, Chariot = 65

ELITE:
Flamers (3) = 105

TROOP:
Horrors (5), The Changeling = 90
Horrors (5) = 85
Plaguebearers (5) 75
Plaguebearers (5) 75

Total: 495
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1000pts
HEADQUARTERS:
Herald of Tzeentch, Chariot = 65
Herald of Tzeentch, Chariot = 65

TROOP:
Horrors (7), The Changeling = 124
Plaguebearers (6) = 90
Plaguebearers (6) = 90

HEAVY SUPPORT:
Daemon Prince, Mark of Nurgle, Daemonic Flight, Daemonic Gaze = 190
Daemon Prince, Mark of Nurgle, Daemonic Flight, Daemonic Gaze = 190
Daemon Prince, Mark of Nurgle, Daemonic Flight, Daemonic Gaze = 190

Total: 1004

I know I didn't include the Bloodletters but in 5th edition, they aren't that great. Anyway, I hope this helps.

Thanks for the tips dudes. Are you sure about the Daemonettes? I thought with a base attack of 3 and Initiative 6 would be really useful? Particularly against Blood Angels. Liking the 3 x Daemon princes idea and definitely think I'll start work on a couple of chariots for my heralds. I also think Bloodletters have been to good to me to drop. Once 2 of them managed to power through 2 IG squads, a PCS and then got locked in combat with the CCS. They also put the wind up my Blood Angels friend and make him play really defensively which obviously doesn't really suit his Jump Pack heavy Angels.

I'll also try dividing my 'bearers into two squads and see how that goes.

Cheers dudes.

Nurgle Daemon Princes without Iron Hide, will die very quickly.

Tzeentch heralds really need at least chariot and bolt, otherwise they are rather ineffective. And besides that these lists need some ranged anti-tank. In reality, none of these lists have anti-tank except for the 1000 point list, where daemon princes would have to resort to killing tanks.

I like daemonettes, but to be usefull they must be taken in squads of 15-20. They are fragile, like mentioned before in this thread, but they are very fast, having fleet, and so must get in and do their damage before the enemy can hit them back. They can accomplish this through massive number of rending attacks, thus the need for large sized squads.

I don't have my codex handy but at 500 points I'd go with something like:

1 tzeench herald on chariot w/bolt and master of sorcery

2 squads of 5 horrors with bolt (one with changling)

demon prince, mark of tzeench and bolt

I don't have my codex handy but at 500 points I'd go with something like:

1 tzeench herald on chariot w/bolt and master of sorcery

2 squads of 5 horrors with bolt (one with changling)

demon prince, mark of tzeench and bolt

Interesting. Clocks in at 435 too so could maybe pimp up the DP or Herald a bit more too. Or add a second herald but but w/out Bolt and Master of Sorcery to harass enemy infantry with Daemonic Gaze.

Actually with the points you have left just slap wings on the DP. Wings really make any DP alot better as it allows them to get into combat more quickly. I don't think the chariot herald is all that great without bolt.

I don't think the chariot herald is all that great without bolt.

I kinda see what you mean but once I managed to DS my herald with no upgrades behind my mates Chimera and Wreck it with Daemonic Gaze. I think he got me the following turn with a IG squad and First rank, FIRE! Second rank, FIRE! I wasn't too bothered though as it took the heat off my Bloodletters and Plaguebearers for a turn. Daemonic Gaze is quite a good weapon against IG I find.

I think you're right about the wings on the DP though. I was gonna build mine with wings anyway. Although now I've heard of someone using magnets so they can use wings or the CSM backpack I think I'll probably do that.

I have to disagree a bit on wings. Don't get me wrong, I do actually put wings on my DP, but that's really mainly because he's modeled that way. MoT and bolt make for a perfectly good long-range DP (at least, to the extent that anything in the codex is long-ranged), who by default also can manage pretty well in CC if it comes to that. With the rest of the list being what it is, you opponent will probably be charging your units as soon as he can anyway because CC is where Tzeentch units die most easily.
I'm also not honestly convinced that a DP is the best use of points at 500 points, but I suppose that comes down to a question of what kind of army you want. A MC can be big and scary, and will absorb a lot of fire - but that's its own downside. You could drop him for some bloodletters if you wanted; one herald with bolt isn't that reliable, but at a guess I'd say he should be enough anti-vehicle for a 500 point game.
You apparently seem to be doing okay without our advice, though. As long as you're having fun...

Yeah totally dude. I also just wanna model my DP with the wings cos I think it looks better. Yeah I'm okay with my 500 pts force I'm mainly using your advice for my next 500 pt worth of stuff. And it's been kinda helpful but now I've got quite a lot of food for thought so don't know what to buy next now. Hehe.

I advise non of the above. Espically not the three daemon prince's! waste of time in my opion.......

Ok so maybe i'm getting scared!

Lots of fun builds possible at 500pts. Mini Demon-Cav :-

Herald of Slaanesh w/Chariot, Might and Musk
Herald of Slaanesh w/Chariot, Might and Musk

Fiendsx5 w/Might

Plague Bearerx5
Plague Bearerx5

I advise non of the above. Espically not the three daemon prince's! waste of time in my opion.......

Ok so maybe i'm getting scared!

Some pretty good ideas I think. I'll give you a txt a bit later about that PM you sent me. I tried to reply but site or my computer or something just wigged out.

Diakon wrote:

I advise non of the above. Espically not the three daemon prince's! waste of time in my opion.......

Ok so maybe i'm getting scared!

Some pretty good ideas I think. I'll give you a txt a bit later about that PM you sent me. I tried to reply but site or my computer or something just wigged out.

Yeah, maybe too good. i need some heavys! some big nasty heavys. haha!

You should get some Ogryns dude. They'll give you a much needed boost in close assault.

Diakon wrote:You should get some Ogryns dude. They'll give you a much needed boost in close assault.

Yep i agree, however at £13.50 per metal model, and requiring 3 of them £40.50 for the squad can right off. I just hop they do a plastic kit eventually so i can get em a bit cheaper then that, tho knowing GW it wont be much less then the current.

deejaybainbridge wrote:

Diakon wrote:You should get some Ogryns dude. They'll give you a much needed boost in close assault.

Yep i agree, however at £13.50 per metal model, and requiring 3 of them £40.50 for the squad can right off. I just hop they do a plastic kit eventually so i can get em a bit cheaper then that, tho knowing GW it wont be much less then the current.

A buddy of mine is converting Leadbelchers (WHFB) into Ogryn and they look pretty awesome. Just fyi.

get em a bit cheaper then that, tho knowing GW it wont be much less then the current.

I imagine it'll be similar to the Daemon Prince fiasco. Plastic one is same price as metal ones. I know there's more options but c'mon!

Claypool wrote:

deejaybainbridge wrote:

Diakon wrote:You should get some Ogryns dude. They'll give you a much needed boost in close assault.

Yep i agree, however at £13.50 per metal model, and requiring 3 of them £40.50 for the squad can right off. I just hop they do a plastic kit eventually so i can get em a bit cheaper then that, tho knowing GW it wont be much less then the current.

A buddy of mine is converting Leadbelchers (WHFB) into Ogryn and they look pretty awesome. Just fyi.

Cheers might look into that!

Diakon wrote:

get em a bit cheaper then that, tho knowing GW it wont be much less then the current.

I imagine it'll be similar to the Daemon Prince fiasco. Plastic one is same price as metal ones. I know there's more options but c'mon!

Was thinking more of the Bloodcrushers, used to be £50 for three metals ones, now it's £32.50 or something for 3 plastic ones. better, but not great!

Not suprised by the daemon prince as you do get a lot more options from that one kit, plus i think the cost of production is about the same, bonus of plastic tho is versitillity, dont get that with the metal one.

Thanks a good start for your army. Pink Horrors ain't bad.

Proxy tested a Herald with Bolt, Master and Chariot tonight. Squeezed in two games and in both it scattered towards my Blood Angels opponents Assault squad and was taken down in turn 2 in the first game and turn 1 in the second. I was hoping to give it a good testing so quite disappointing. In the first game it did wreck his Landspeeder in turn 1 before it got shot to gak and assaulted in turn two so not too bad.

Happens to everybody. If possible, I would suggest dropping your chariot fairly far away from your opponent. He moves 12" and has a 24" range on top of that, which is usually plenty as long as you don't need to do fancy maneuvering. And if you do need to put him up close to your opponent's forces, you probably want multiples of him, just in case.

Happens to everybody. If possible, I would suggest dropping your chariot fairly far away from your opponent. He moves 12" and has a 24" range on top of that, which is usually plenty as long as you don't need to do fancy maneuvering. And if you do need to put him up close to your opponent's forces, you probably want multiples of him, just in case.

I know dude. In the first game it was kinda my fault for placing it too close to opponent but in the second game it scattered the full 12 inches. Aghhh. Straight into assault range of the assault squad. It did take a couple of em out with shooting though and force a break test but the bugger passed it.

Ouch, that's painful. Apparently, Tzeentch decided to bet against you in that battle... friggin' Tzeentch

Ouch, that's painful. Apparently, Tzeentch decided to bet against you in that battle... friggin' Tzeentch

I reckon I've angered him by using a Beastmen Chariot as a proxy.

You might have noticed from my signature that my army points value went from 500 to 1250 over night. That's cos it was my birthday on monday and I grabbed a daemon prince, a box of horrors and the changeling. I've also nearly finished modelling a chariot of tzeench for one of my heralds and mounted another on a disc of tzeench made from milliput (to lead my flamers).

Admittedly the 1250 list does require me to use every single daemon in my collection and each squad is ten strong with champ, icon and instrument. I'm still quite pleased though.

I'll post the army list itself a bit later today or tomorrow.