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Hi guys, I played a friendly game, and had an interesting situation.

I landed a hit on a LR, managed to get the hole over the back track.

my friend got his oldschool ork truck nicely tucked in just behind it, literally below it. [the lr could potentially ramm speed him without moving.]

the blast template's hole landed over both models completely in this case.

do both models take the full blast?

I assume yes, and we played it yes. both tanks blew up. it was plenty beautiful.

Was he still 1" away from the LR?

Ify ou have two models that "overlap" when viewed from above, it is posisble to have the hole over two models. As such both would be hit.

There is a rule stating no model can occupy the same space as another model. If the single blast template hit both models, then both models were occuping the same space.

Remember, occuping the same space is not a 3d real world concept, but a game board concept. The laws of matter and the universe already prevent two objects from ocupping the same space, so obviously the designers are not talking about real world physics here, but game board space as defined by the board we play the game on.

Space is easily a 3d concept.

DevianID wrote:There is a rule stating no model can occupy the same space as another model.

The rule is actually that a model can not move through the space occupied by another model. It's explaining why you have to go around other models, not delving into particle physics.


There is no rule preventing one model from being above or below another. That would make Ruins unusable.

Ya, but then you have to decide what floor you're targeting.

As for the original question, I'd have to say that there's no rules legal way this could have happened as he'd have to have been 1" away (larger area than the 'hole' in the blast template he is referencing) or if they were on two different levels he have to had designated a level as the target.

Unless there is something to this equation in the original question I'm missing.

*Edit*
Hm, I suppose if the LR was at the top of a hill and the truck was on the up/down part of the hill, still 1" away but not horizontally and not technically on another level, then I guess it could happen in that situation. Which is what I'm guessing the OP is describing though he didn't specify, he did say "literally below it" which to me would mean it was parked on another level.

Targeting levels is only applicable in ruins AFAIK.

edit: Oops I misread the previous poster. Ignore me.

Yeah, there is no way that the blast hole can be completely on one vehicle and completely on another at the same time unless one is above the other, in which case you can only target one level.

In this case, if you have a bridge, or something, it would count as a ruins anyway for the purpose of doing stuff.

Ailaros wrote:Yeah, there is no way that the blast hole can be completely on one vehicle and completely on another at the same time unless one is above the other, in which case you can only target one level.

In this case, if you have a bridge, or something, it would count as a ruins anyway for the purpose of doing stuff.

if you and your opponent agree before the game that the bridge counts as ruins(if it isn't thought of and dicussed before game then it isn't a ruin)

in any case, if the two models are setup as such that one is on a hill(or a cliff) and the other is on the ground below, and from a top-down view both models are edge-to-edge(or even overlapping) and the center hole falls in such a way that it is over both of them(again top-down-view) then both take the full strength blast hit.

A note from some confusion here; the entire hole does not need to be over/on a vehicle for that vehicle to take the full strength hit, Any part of the hole(even just a sliver of it) can be.

So was the lr above the truck on another level, such as an elevated ridge?

I would be tempted to say that the fact my vehicle covers yours would prevent the the hole from being "The centre of the blast marker ends over the vehicle’s hull." like that, it's plainly over my vehicle which is in turn over yours, sure the template is above both vehicles but it's only over one.

Ailaros wrote:Yeah, there is no way that the blast hole can be completely on one vehicle and completely on another at the same time unless one is above the other, in which case you can only target one level.

In this case, if you have a bridge, or something, it would count as a ruins anyway for the purpose of doing stuff.

You've got that backwards. The rules for ruins apply only to ruins. In all other situations in the game if a model manages to somehow be above another model (say a tall rocky cliff and one model is on the top of the cliff and another model is below him at the bottom of the cliff) and a blast marker is over both models then both models would be hit.


So yes, in this particular case if a blast was over two vehicles, then both would be hit fully, although as some have pointed out, in most cases it is not normally allowed for models to move within 1" of each other, so this shouldn't happen to often unless one vehicle attempts to ram another (for example).

The way I read it was that the Trukk was 'under' the sloping rear LR track.

Well since the blast hole can only be over one vehicle then it hits the one on top, anything under the top vehicle would not be under the center since there is a vehicle in the way. anything that hangs over the edges is fair game however.

Deathreaper - except it CAN be over two vehicles, as it is in this instance. You are adding restrictions to the rules that do not exist.

Is the hole above the vehicle? Yes? Then it is hit full strength. The fact there is ANOTHER vehicle in the way makes no difference, as from a 2D, top down view the hole is still over the vehicle

Again, I point out it cant be over two vehicles, because by extension you then have one vehicle on top of another vehicle, occupying the same exact board space. You cant put an infantry on top of a tank, right? So a tank cant be on top of another tank.

DevianID wrote:Again, I point out it cant be over two vehicles, because by extension you then have one vehicle on top of another vehicle, occupying the same exact board space. You cant put an infantry on top of a tank, right? So a tank cant be on top of another tank.

Valkyrie Over a Chimera.

So long as you are playing that the Wings are Hull, you are more than able to have the hole over 2 Vehicles in 2D space.

DevianID wrote:Again, I point out it cant be over two vehicles, because by extension you then have one vehicle on top of another vehicle, occupying the same exact board space.

Again, there is no prohibition in the rules on models occupying the same space. They are simply restricted from moving through the space occupied by another model.

You cant put an infantry on top of a tank, right?

That's correct. But it's simply because models count as impassable terrain.

I would give a cover save for the bottom vehicle. Only seems sporting to me.

nosferatu1001 wrote:Deathreaper - except it CAN be over two vehicles, as it is in this instance. You are adding restrictions to the rules that do not exist.

Is the hole above the vehicle? Yes? Then it is hit full strength. The fact there is ANOTHER vehicle in the way makes no difference, as from a 2D, top down view the hole is still over the vehicle

but it is not a 2D game...

and it does make a difference.

Page 60 says:

"Template and blast weapons against vehicles... The centre of the blast marker ends over the vehicles hull.
in this case the shell or missile has HIT THE VEHICLE AND EXPLODED ON IT."
Not hit all the vehicles under it, not hit everything around it, it hits the vehicle you were aiming at, by this logic only one vehicle can be hit by the weapon. (of course if an the marker touches anything else next to the vehicle it will take a 1/2 str hit)

No, it is not a 2D game - except where the rules explicitly limit it to one. Like in this case, where the ONLY requirement is that the hole is above the model. Above is entirely expressable in 2D.

Also you make the error of mixing fluff and rules. The rule is that you check to see if the hole is ABOVE the vehicle. If it is then you gain the full strength hit

That is it. You may not agree, but that doesnt alter what the rules say,

Captain Solon wrote:Hi guys, I played a friendly game, and had an interesting situation.

I landed a hit on a LR, managed to get the hole over the back track.

my friend got his oldschool ork truck nicely tucked in just behind it, literally below it. [the lr could potentially ramm speed him without moving.]

the blast template's hole landed over both models completely in this case.

do both models take the full blast?

I assume yes, and we played it yes. both tanks blew up. it was plenty beautiful.

Sounds like a moot point anyway nosferatu1001 now that i re-read the OP, sounds like the ork trukk was too close to the landraider, since enemy models must be kept 1" away from each other, unless you are assaulting.