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so the topic says it, im starting a new IG army and i really want some stuff from forgeworld, but alot of people i talked to said forgeworlds resin models were poor quality. If you have some personal experience with forgeworld models please reply and llet me know if its worth it.

Frankly, those people didn't know what they were talking about. The only bad part about the models IMO (except for the price, but hey, give them a break ) is that the dust is potentially lethal, so you'd better wear a face mask!

First off...

Have you ever actually worked with resin models before? If not, I suggest avoiding anything barring the Respirator Upgrade packs or the Cadian Shotgun Veterans.

Kanluwen wrote:First off...

Have you ever actually worked with resin models before? If not, I suggest avoiding anything barring the Respirator Upgrade packs or the Cadian Shotgun Veterans.

And now explain why please.

I bought a vendetta upgrade, was fine...im not entirely sure what you guys are talking about. Unless you plan on sanding your models, where does this fabled "dust" come from?

Anyway, I think what the OP meant was their bad because their not allowed.
It depends what your getting. Steel legion heavy weapons teams, Ryza leman russ and infantry and small things like that dont matter at all. But dont go buying a double barrel earth shaker or a leman russ with a volcano cannon, no one will allow you to field it.

Forgeworld's models are made of resin as opposed to plastic like most others. Resin is a very different medium to work with than plastic, much more difficult...

Another problem with resin is that it very much so tends to have gaps, bubbles, and warps. It also doesn't ship very well compared to plastic. Forgeworld pretty much says "too bad" when you talk to them about models coming with flaws (sometimes major), palming it off to "the medium you chose to buy," unlike many other resin model companies, who charge much less, and honor the quality of their product.

Yes, I am a little bitter towards Forgeworld. For one, their prices are outrageously high for their product (which are very nice, I'll give them that). Second, once upon a time a friend of mine spent nigh $1000 on a Titan, and every part came irreparably warped, and those that weren't were full of pits, bubbles, and blemishes (most had both). Forgeworld blew him off with a "sorry" and a "too bad."

Supposedly they have gotten better about their models and their policies, but still. Resin is difficult to work with unless you have a reasonable level of experience. If this is your first time working with it, or you haven't practiced fixing/modding minis, hold off before you go spending hundreds of dollars on Forgeworld stuff.

They've always been to the point where if there's gaps, bubbles, or warps that obscure the detail on parts--Forge World will replace them, with no questions asked. The only exception to the rule is when an entire, expensive kit(like a Titan) is claimed to be "irreparable". People do try to scam them in that nature, and they do have to have limits so that they're making a profit and not sending Titans out to everyone who claims that their Titan is a complete write-off.

Jaon wrote:And now explain why please.

I bought a vendetta upgrade, was fine...im not entirely sure what you guys are talking about. Unless you plan on sanding your models, where does this fabled "dust" come from?

Anyway, I think what the OP meant was their bad because their not allowed.
It depends what your getting. Steel legion heavy weapons teams, Ryza leman russ and infantry and small things like that dont matter at all. But dont go buying a double barrel earth shaker or a leman russ with a volcano cannon, no one will allow you to field it.

For a lot of models you WILL have to sand off large release points. That's where the dust will come from. Single piece bits, like the Vendetta's weaponry or the Cadian Respirator heads/Shotgun Veteran kits will generally fit with very little work needed simply because they're made in a manner similar to plastics.

Kanluwen wrote:First off...

Have you ever actually worked with resin models before? If not, I suggest avoiding anything barring the Respirator Upgrade packs or the Cadian Shotgun Veterans.

I was planning on getting the respirator upgrade

Then you're all set! They're fantastic little kits, and not only do you get a replacement head--you also get some nifty equipment. Things like demolition charges still in their carrying slings, etc.

You just need to wash resin with warm soapy water thoroughly before assembly, as paint won't stick otherwise. Forgeworld also has bubbles or warping in the resin from time to time. While the warping can often be taken care of by hand with warm water, bubbles are a problem. You can call them and they'll replace them though.

Yea, i was going to a Kreig army but alot of people have said that larger forgeworld models arrive warped and with bubbles and stuff like that. And i didnt want to chance it. So i decided to go Cadian with all respirators

There ARE people who say forgeworld is no good, and forgeworld models can't be used with GW rules.

These people, however, have not read the 40k rulebook. "Counts As" is a wonderful thing.

Melissia wrote:There ARE people who say forgeworld is no good, and forgeworld models can't be used with GW rules.

What they are probably referring to is that models must be at least (75?)% Citadel miniature to be fielded legally in a GW tournament. I'm not sure if this is 100% set in stone but I've heard it thrown around quite a bit. However don't fret, most tournaments simply DGAF.

No, many people have said that about standard games too, not just tournament games. There are people who hate Orky conversions, and think they're unfluffy-- you have to use the original model (so what do you use when the units have no model? they won't answer, the idiots).

Wait, someone would object to the usage of DKoK as guard?

My own experiences with the models is excellent. 70 grunts, 12 heavy weapon teams, 10 engineers, 14 grenadiers, two PCS, one CCS and quartermaster later, the only real problems were a platoon leader missing a leg from the knee down (conversion opportunity!), and a few lasguns broke but I was arming those guys with special weapons anyway.

That said, the main issue with resin is the prep work that has to go into getting them ready for a paintjob. They tend to come with a lot of flash and have a lot of tiny fragile bits, so you have to be quite careful and adept with your tools. I use a Dremel stylus at low RPM with various diamond drill bits.

Then as Brother SRM said, you need to wash them in soapy water (occasionally for real dusty ones I used a 10% Simple Green solution).

Make sure you test fit everything twice before you assemble them, as some joints may need additional light dremel work for a perfect fit.

get renegade militia conversion kit to make penal legion squad

I've picked up quite a few of the renegade upgrade kits and enforcers and haven't found much of a problem.

There are the odd bit that's warped (correctedable with hot water and careful bending) and some minor casting damage.

That said I've seem worse on some GW metal figures and the occasional plastic sprue that had so much flash as to be a right PITA to clean up every single peice of it.

Although I've had limited expierience with FW, what I have had has been pretty good. No problems on the casting, and good detail all over. Resin is a bit more difficlut to work with, but I would still rather work with that than metal.

And one good thing about IG in particluar is that a lot of the FW IG stuff has offical rules in the new codex, such as some LR variants, the Hydra, etc.

I've bought quite a bit from FW and had nothing but good experiences

Things they wont fix:
Slight warping of thin peices. Easily fixed with some warm water.

Things they do fix:
Pretty much anyhing else.

As far as not being about to use them in tournaments. I don't know what people are talking about. I use mine all the time. Some FW models don't have codex entries, but if you are using DKOK for Guard or extra armor plates on rhinos you are totally fine. No one will ever say anything as long as you are using codex rules

I've bought many things from Forge World (upgrade packs, limited edition stuff and a few Titans), and I have had no problems at all apart from one occation where they sent me the wrong item. Concering the safety of resin, sanding or filing the resin will produce a lot of dust which can be very harmful if inhaled, so a mask is essential when working on it. Warping isn't that common and can be sorted out easily using hot water and patience.

Forge World are owned by Citadel...