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HQ
Chaplain Termy

Troops
10x man tac
1 flamer
1 ML

10x man tac
1 plasma
1 mm

Elite
1 cc term squad
land raider crusade

Sternguard with combi weapons

Dread with assault and cc powerfist


Mostly play against orks....just started

You don't have a point total listed. Is that all the models you have, or a rough list? What kind of suggestions are you looking for?

rough list i had a pred, reg term squad with assault cannon one more tac squad two assault squads, sicarious, commander, command squad, calgar and honor guard, 3 scout squads one with ml and powerfist one dev squad and a rhino

No point taking both Calgar, Sicarius and an extra commander. Besides, you're only allowed two HQ units, so you'll have to drop at least one

Ok this is my first post and such...just popped my cherry, you should be proud. If you are playing against Orks, I think you should just have a flamer and a rocket launcher in your tactical squads. Put the Chaplin in with Lighting Claw terms...no thunder hammers at all. Sternguard is a waste...points and guns are not needed. Swap them out for a devastator squad with three rocket launchers and one las. Add and heavy flamer to the dread.

Only swap the thunder hammers for lightning claws if you know he doesn't use nobs or meganobs. Otherwise you need the hammers to instant death them.

Your list seems pretty light, but if you're just starting out, then you'll have plenty of time to expand it.

One thing against Orks and other horde-like armies are that they tend to be weaker in the Saves Department.

Template and Blast weapons are the most effective, so definitely hang onto your Flamers and Missile Launchers.

Sternguard can be extremely effective against these kinds of armies as well, since they have so many choices in ammunition. In your case, Hellfire rounds are the ones you'd be using the most. And if you're going to use Combi-weapons, avoid Plasma, and use the Flamer and Melta Combi's instead.

If your Chaplain is in Terminator Armor, you can also give him 1 combi weapon as well. For 5 points, a Combi-Flamer would work great against Orks.

And lastly, give your Dreadnought Extra Armor, especially if you plan for it to go into melee.

Good luck, and I hope my advice helped!

Pwn'd You wrote:Chaplain Termy

Do you have a power armored Chap? If so, then he's better than the T-armored one. Bolt Pistol + Crozius means another attack in h2h that ignores armor, whereas the T-armor plus StormBolter means one less; the SB's shot doesn't ignore armor. Power armor comes with grenades and ability to SweepAdvance. Not so for T-armor. He already has a better invuln save. Only thing you lose is T-Armor's great save.

I have the T-Armored Chap model ... one of my best paint jobs early on, and it had some memorable moments. But for now, with this Codex:SM, he's a display piece. The other one, Asmodai, gets the call of duty.

Pwn'd You wrote:10x man tac 1 flamer 1 ML
10x man tac 1 plasma mm

No power toys for the sergeants?

Pwn'd You wrote:1 cc term squad
land raider crusade

As its job is to deliver termies, give it EA to ensure that. And the extra Multi-melta is totally worth it.

Pwn'd You wrote:Sternguard with combi weapons
Dread with assault and cc powerfist
Mostly play against orks....just started

Add the Heavy Flamer to dreadsy and flamers for the SG.

ya im sorry i have three tac squads each sergeant has a power toy and either storm bolter or plasma pistol and i mostly use thunder hammers because i always see alot of nobz and i have more models thats what i just usualy play with including a pred with autocannon and las cannons on sponsons

Ok first off let's points this thing up:

Chaplain in terminator armour with Storm Bolter
130

Terminator Squad (5 man)
x5 TH/SS
Land Raider Crusader
450

Sternguard (5 man?)
x 5 Combi-Melta
Giving them a Rhino
185

Dreadnought
Assault Cannon
115

Tactical Squad (10 man)
Plasma Gun
Multi Melta
Give you a rhino
215

Tactical Squad (10 man)
Flamer
Missile Launcher
Give you a Rhino
205

TOTAL: 1300

if you're playing at 1500 you've got 200 points spare. if you're at 1200 you're 100 over.

Critique:

Chaplain with Terminators is fine. Give him Digital Weapons to make him really bring the pain.

Close Combat Terminators should be TH/SS since Orks either bring super weedy weapons in large numbers, or REALLY hurty weapons in small packs.

Land Raider Crusader.....absolutely fine. Give it a multi-melta to give it anti-armour punch

Sternguard. I've given them Combi-Meltas. I think you're basically giving them tank hunting duty? This is fine, but you're spending an awful lot on 5 guys in power armour when you could take a dedictated melta tac squad for only 30 points more.

Dreadnought.
Assault Cannon is fine. Mow down lots of orks. but keep him in cover.

Tac Squads.
You don't have enough of them. Against orks bolters count. Taking a multi-melta in a tac squad against orks is not worth it. take a plasma cannon or missile launcher in both.
Plasma Gun......change to flamer and give your sergeant a combi-plasma if you're worried about tough units assaulting you.

Should all be in Rhinos to give you armour protection and also cover when deployed.

This really all depends on what your points limit is. if it's 1200 you need to say goodbye to your dreadnought. If it's 1500 you could take another tac squad with bolters, flamer and missile launcher and a rhino (you'd only be 5 points over).

I would loose the plasma on one of the tac squads for a flamer. Then use the extra points to give your dread a heavy flamer

Corennus......ya its a 1500 point game ill switch out the heavy weapons from my dev squad and add a tac unit

I'm not seeing any devastator squad in this list.......

Personally I think you need more long range. And I agree with Rogukiel that you should switch plasma for flamer and give Dread a Heavy Flamer instead of Storm Bolter.

Take a Dev squad with 4 ML and 3 extra body bags (198 points) to give you some more firepower.

ya sorry i forgot i had the dev with an assortment of weapons including the possibility of 4 ml

Sounds good for a general dev squad

Ok so what's your list now?

HQ
1 chap Librarian with digital weapons (For Now)

Elites
Sternguard with combi weapon

CC termies th/ss
LCC with mm

Dread with ac and powerfitst with heavy flamer

Troops
Tac squad x 10 flamer with ml and Sergent has stormbolter
Rhino

Tac squad x 10 flamer with hb and sergent has combi weapon


I have more models my other options are.....

1 dev squad with an assortment of whatever weapons atleast 2 of each

1 predator with autocannon and las for sponsons

1 more tac squad with hb sergent has plama pistol

2 x 7 man assault squads

1 squad squad with shotgun 2 blotguns 2 hb and 2 sniper

1 squad of temries with assault cannon and powerfists

clagar and honour guard

Sicarious

Commander

Command Squad

Librarians can't take Digital Weapons

He's either a Chaplain or Librarian! you can't take him as both lol

Going through what you have....

Sternguard......are ok....

You have a CC Terminator squad and a terminator squad. Use them. CC terminator squad in land raider, and if you don't have a second land raider then deep strike the terminator squad in to bring some pain.

Consider changing assault cannon for heavy flamer on terminator squad.

Assault squads could be an interesting "speed bump"


Tell you what. Do a list with EVERYTHING you can fit in (apart from Calgar, Sicarius and Command Squad cause they;re bum).
See how much the points are.
Then start chopping.

wow im out of it its not a librarian....i dont even have one hes a chapy

Well make a list out of everything you have (with Chappie as HQ) and see what you get from there.

ok how about this

HQ
1 Termy Chaplain with digital weapons

Elite
Termies cc with th/s
LCC with multimelta

Termies with heavy flamer

Dread with ac power fist and heavy flamer or option of ml

Troops
Tac x 10 ml flamer sergeant with combi plasma

Tac x 10 hb flamer sergeant with storm bolter
Rhino

Ok....I like your list all the way up to the second Tac Squad.

First of all choose what your points limit is.

1000

1500

1750 (tournament limit)

2000

Let's try and put EVERYTHING in the list and see what we come up with:

HQ
Terminator Chaplain w/ Combi-Plasma & Digi Weapons
145

ELITES

Terminator Assault Squad (5 man)
x 5 TH/SS
Land Raider Crusader w/ MM
460

Terminator Squad (5 man)
Heavy Flamer
x 3 Chain Fists (proxied)
220

Dreadnought (Have him as long range)
Missile Launcher
T-L Lascannon (Proxy)
145

TROOPS

Tactical Squad (10 man)
Sergeant: Combi-Melta
Melta Gun (Proxy)
Rhino
220

Tactical Squad (10 man)
Sergeant: Combi-Flamer
Flamer
180

Tactical Squad (10 man)
Sergeant: Combi-Flamer (Proxy)
Flamer
180

Tactical Squad (5 man)
Sergeant: Combi-Plasma
100


FAST ATTACK

Assault Squad (10 man)
Sergeant: Lightning Claws (Proxy)
Melta Bombs
Flamer
Flamer
240

Assault Squad (5 man)
Sergeant: Thunder Hammer & Storm Shield
Melta Bombs
Plasma Pistol
165

HEAVY SUPPORT

Devastator Squad (5 man)
x 4 HB
150


Predator
Lascannon Sponsons
120

TOTAL 2325

GO CHOP