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Hi guys, so I just commented on a KT question about Dedicated transports.

after reading a bit, I've found out two things:

To be considered a DT by FOC, it can't be attached to a squad.

Dedicated transports can be bought, regardless of wether they're attached to a squad or not.
[page 67. main rulebook cites:]
...
"The only limitation is ... it cannot carry anything other then the squad it is attached to."

Dedicated tranports are treated as the unit they were given to.
So, my SM rhino given to a TAC squad can score it is considered troops.
[page 87, dedicated transports:]

...
"count as being the type of the squad they are bought for"
...
"for example, a rhino given to a space marine tactical squad is considered to be a troops choice"

So, I conclude:
1. dedicated transports can be bought regardless of wether or not they're attached to a squad.
2. dedicated transports can score.
3. a rhino can be given to any squad on the field, granted you do not give it to the squad as a DT.

Correct, no?

Unless your riding around in a VW bug that transforms into infantry i'm pretty sure vehicles can't be scoring units under the scoring rules.

Dedicated transports on restrict who they can be deployed with not who they can carry. You can take a DT with your tac squad and drop them off then run off and pick up a termy squad (assuming they fit in the transport of course). Did that answer the question? I was a little confused by it.

well... to be a scoring unit, you must be considered troops or have a rule.

they're considered troops.

there is a reference.

Read the part under "may never be scoring units" Vehicles are in there.

Captain Solon wrote:well... to be a scoring unit, you must be considered troops or have a rule.

they're considered troops.

there is a reference.

Reference page 90 in the BRB... Vehicles can never be scoring units.

edit: unless they have a special rule to that effect, ofc

Scoring units come from your Troops allowance*, but vehicles and Swarms can't score*.

*unless they have a special rule.

If there is a scoring unit inside a transport, the transport counts as scoring IIRC, but that isn't quite the same as the transport itself scoring.

There are several falsehoods in your OP:
Dedicated Transports MUST be bought with a Squad. They talk of actual FOC slot choices with Transport capacity in the DT box, which may be where you are getting this idea.

Dedicated transports are not and are never considered part of the unit they are bought for. For DEPLOYMENT PURPOSES they count as a unit within the same FOC slot as the unit they are bought for.

As said earlier, BRB page 90, Scoring units, first bullet point under "when a unit of Troops does not count as scoring:" When it is a Vehicle.

The first two are found in the pages cited, the Last has also cited page.

This is a horrible topic captain.

Constructive criticism aside ()...

Just to add to the good Kommissar's post: dedicated transports can only be deployed carrying their squad (or, of course, empty). Afterwards they are free to carry anyone that can get in.

Just because they are affiliated with a squad doesn't bestow them their troop type. A dedicated transport is still a vehicle.

Soup and a roll wrote:This is a horrible topic captain.

Constructive criticism aside ()...

Just to add to the good Kommissar's post: dedicated transports can only be deployed carrying their squad (or, of course, empty). Afterwards they are free to carry anyone that can get in.

Just because they are affiliated with a squad doesn't bestow them their troop type. A dedicated transport is still a vehicle.

Actually it does bestow their FOC type for deployment; it's on page 87. they do not Keep the status(not that it matters) after deployment, but during deployment they are of the FOC of the infantry they are bought for. This is what allows them to be deployed in a Dawn of War scenario.

Kommissar Kel wrote:

Soup and a roll wrote:This is a horrible topic captain.

Constructive criticism aside ()...

Just to add to the good Kommissar's post: dedicated transports can only be deployed carrying their squad (or, of course, empty). Afterwards they are free to carry anyone that can get in.

Just because they are affiliated with a squad doesn't bestow them their troop type. A dedicated transport is still a vehicle.

Actually it does bestow their FOC type for deployment; it's on page 87. they do not Keep the status(not that it matters) after deployment, but during deployment they are of the FOC of the infantry they are bought for. This is what allows them to be deployed in a Dawn of War scenario.

I think he was trying to say it doesn't bestow the 'infantry' type to the transport. They are still a vehicle and vehicles can't be scoring

Kommissar Kel wrote:Actually it does bestow their FOC type for deployment; it's on page 87. they do not Keep the status(not that it matters) after deployment,

Indeed they do. It never says to remove it.
In missions with kill troop choices giving points, for example, the DT of troops are indeed points.

Unless it specifies FO slots.

kirsanth wrote:

Kommissar Kel wrote:Actually it does bestow their FOC type for deployment; it's on page 87. they do not Keep the status(not that it matters) after deployment,

Indeed they do. It never says to remove it.
In missions with kill troop choices giving points, for example, the DT of troops are indeed points.

Unless it specifies FO slots.

Yes and no; the Status of a given FOC is only granted to the DT for those situations that the distinction matters.

In a Spearhead or pitched battle, they have no FOC type; unless part of the victory conditions call for the destruction of a given FOC type and they would fall under that type.

in your example if "bonus KP", or something similar, are given for destroying troop units; then any DT's bought fro troops units are also considered troops units, but a DT bought for an Elite, Fast attack, heavy support, etc are not of any FOC type at all(since it does not matter to the scenario in any way).

They only have a FOC type when it matters and are otherwise completely out of the FOC.