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Wazdakka

Warboss
bike, power klaw, 'eavy armor, attack squig


TROOP

Warbikers (10)
nob, PK, bosspole

Warbikers (10)
nob, PK, bosspole

Nob Bikers (4)
2 PK, 2 big choppa, 1 bosspole, 1 ammo runt (4 different set ups means wound allocation)


ELITE

Tank Bustas (5)

Lootas (5)


FAST ATTACK

Deffkopta

Deffkopta

Deffkopta


HEAVY SUPPORT

Looted Wagon
(ran as transport for lootas)

Looted Wagon
(ran as transport for tank bustas)



Thanks!

Hello! Firstly how many points is this? I could look it up but it will take time and you already know the answer
Comments will follow!

1508

Ok! Here we go!!

You are a very short on troops for 1500 points. You have 16 models only which in comparison to other ork lists that field 70-100 is an uphill start before you get on the board.
You have spent heavily on toys and not enough on boys. You need more orks and the only way to fit them to some effectiveness in this list is in trukk squads

Lootas unfortunatelly are all a mess. The mek removes a Deffgun from the squad an adds a single BS 2 24" inch shot - not a good trade off. They have heavy weapons so on a roll of 1 the wagon lurches forward and the Lootas can't fire. You have also paid 5 points for a RPJ when that wagon should literally never move and more points for a rocket with a different range to the Lootas. Finally 11-10 AV is pittifully easy to crack which means your 5 lootas will be collecting losses, pinning tests and fail awards

Tankbustas. No need in this list. Get some boys in a trukk and let the Deffkoptas deal with tanks and the like. 6 of them will also not yield any results.

Boomgun wagon. It is not resilient enough for the threat that it carries and will be insta pawned. You can field these but in a different list where they are protected by a KFF some grots and form a mssive gunline with Lootas and SAG Mek.

Ps Sorry if this was a very negative post, I just think the list needs alot of work to be competitive

sn0zcumb3r has said everything I would have said; no point repeating good advice!

Thanks sn0zcumb3r!

I wanted to make a list that was bike heavy... kinda what I'm going for. Is there a way to do this that makes sense / is still good tactically?

I also usually play against armies with 2+ tanks, so thats why I'm brining the heat. Also, they like to bring 2+ monsterous creatures... I'm sweating the lack of initiative to deal with mc's. Also, tyranids, how does an ork fight em?

Shoot Tyranids. Orks cannot beat them in combat because either they are too quick or allow no armour saves. Cut them down to size with fire power then assault.

The only bike heavy list I've seen that I though was marginally competitive was:

2x Bike Boss

20x Nob Bikers, diversified with Painboyz and Cybork Bodies

+Other tasty gubbins depending on points.

I WILL make it work.



Lets talk combinations that are effective. I know bosspole, power klaw, but what else really works? I am very adamant about making a mostly biker army.

The trouble with Bikers is that they suffer from leadership issues. Large mobs of Orks gain fearless but you simply cannot do that with bikers. Therefore, the best way to mitigate this weakness is with max size mobs and bosspoles.

Wazdakka is not the greatest Ork special character but if you are planning on mostly bikes, you might want to use him. Personally, I would take a biker boss over Wazdakka any day.

So, you'll want either Wazdakka or a Biker Boss, one or two max Nob Bikers (make sure they're troops), 3-6 max Biker mobz, some deffkoptas and some boyz in Trukks.

What if I took one BIG warbiker squad, like maxed it out. I know I'd run into maneuvering issues and it would be a big target, but it would soak up a lot of shots before being less effective. Then I could run like 3 trukks with boys and 2 looted trucks with my tank bustas and lootas.

No tankbustas. Lootas don't need to be in a Trukk either.

But if there are only 5... how can that be effective without a trukk shield? You sure tankbustas aren't effective? I bet they spend their time shooting my tankbustas instead of other units.

I'd bet they stick a tank in LOS but just out of range and ignore your tankbustas.

A trukk shield isn't much of a shield at all and when it blows up, 1-2 of your Lootas will go with it and you might be taking Ld off one lucky Lascannon shot. A battlewagon bunker, on the other hand, can be very effective.

Talk to me about battlewagon synergy with my biker mobs and some lootas.

If you stick some lootas in battlewagons thusly \|/ on your back table edge, your rear armor is completely protected and you can shoot up the enemy to your heart's desire.

Lootas can provide necessary covering fire as your bikers zoom towards the enemy.

Having coming from IG and very familiar with cornering tanks, I can safely say that opponents will see this and send some deep striking melta clad, chainfist having, meltabomb toting guys to make short work of a deadly to them target in a back corner.

So bubble wrap your tanks in grots, they're cheap and you should be able to keep any melta 6"+ away. Classic deep-strike defense.

totally. but grrrr... this is not the strategy I had in mind. If I want to sit back and blast I will do it with IG, because its easier, they have better bs, better armor, and better guns.

I wanted to do orks because they were the opposite of IG, fast unwieldy, strong, tough, killy. I thought the warbike encompassed all that. Help me make it so. Warbikes seem to be the underdog, but I feel like they can do it. They're expensive, but they have the best save out of all the orks. They can turboboost, have cloud cover, and can run with nob bikers. What's the right combo to make them work??

I totally agree with you on what you should do with your biker list. A biker list should NOT be shooty. The point of it is to close in fast and clobber with a 4+ cover save and T5. However you will get a lot of people who will either say that you can do the same thing with a trukk list or it is better to take a shooty list in stead.

As for advice with the play style you plan on doing, i would have to say that you should drop the lootas, drop the tankbustas, drop the looted wagons, and get more bikes. Quoting what was previously said, you need more boyz. for this, you could take wazdakka and a warboss. whatever you do, make sure to have at least two healthy squads of nob bikers. I have tried 4 before, it was very effective but left little else on the feild.

If you want to have an aggressive biker list, than just have EVERYTHING on bikes or else go a trukk/battlewagon heavy speedfreaks list.

zane2131 wrote:I totally agree with you on what you should do with your biker list. A biker list should NOT be shooty. The point of it is to close in fast and clobber with a 4+ cover save and T5. However you will get a lot of people who will either say that you can do the same thing with a trukk list or it is better to take a shooty list in stead.

As for advice with the play style you plan on doing, i would have to say that you should drop the lootas, drop the tankbustas, drop the looted wagons, and get more bikes. Quoting what was previously said, you need more boyz. for this, you could take wazdakka and a warboss. whatever you do, make sure to have at least two healthy squads of nob bikers. I have tried 4 before, it was very effective but left little else on the feild.

If you want to have an aggressive biker list, than just have EVERYTHING on bikes or else go a trukk/battlewagon heavy speedfreaks list.

Claypool wrote:The trouble with Bikers is that they suffer from leadership issues. Large mobs of Orks gain fearless but you simply cannot do that with bikers. Therefore, the best way to mitigate this weakness is with max size mobs and bosspoles.

Wazdakka is not the greatest Ork special character but if you are planning on mostly bikes, you might want to use him. Personally, I would take a biker boss over Wazdakka any day.

So, you'll want either Wazdakka or a Biker Boss, one or two max Nob Bikers (make sure they're troops), 3-6 max Biker mobz, some deffkoptas and some boyz in Trukks.

Just like I said all along.