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Hello Dakka people! Hope you all are well!

After doing some mathmatical sums last night and strangly first thing this morning! i have finally drumed up at 1500pts army list for my WIP High Elves.

Now, this army list is based on the intention of going splits on a copy of the new boxed game in a month or so once i've got the wonga in my back pocket. So any surgestion please keep in mind some units cannot be swaped etc.

Also please note that i'm very new to wargaming, (since the turn of the year) and at present i havent played a game of Warhammer yet, only 40k. So i'm not into tournament play i just wont to have some fun both on the battle field and painting up some great models!

Ok so here goes.


Lords & Heros

Prince, on Griffon with a lance and Shield.

Noble, on barded elven stead with halbred and shield.

Mage.


Core Units

15 strong spearmen unit, with standard, muscian and sential.

15 Stong archers unit, with standard, muscian and hawkeye.

10 Stong Lothern sea guard, with standard, muscian and sential.


Specail units

10 Stonge Sword masters of hoeth, with bladelord, musican and standard.

5 Ellyrian Reavers

2 Tiranoc chariot.

Total - 1506

At present only the spearmen and the nobel are in my possesion and cannot be changed, and what is to come in the WFB box set. Other then that i'm open to surgestions from experienced players simply because i've never played before so really i dont know what i'm doing,

You'll probably want to drop the command on the archers to save some points and they aren't really going to provide anything to the unit except the maybe the musician who can let you reform when it looks like you're going to get charged.
I'd also recommend swapping the halberd on the noble for a great weapon, aside from paying a few more points there isn't any downside for a high elf to have a great weapon due to super ASF.

Also, I know you're pretty set on the contents of the new starter set. But, at 1500pts that prince on a griffon is eating up way to many points that would be better spent on bulking up the spearmen and archers to be 20 strong and probably the same amount of men for the sea guard. Then you can switch the archers into two units of 10 which will allow you to shoot at more targets. To replace your Prince you could add another mage or another nobel

Unfortunately this is a bit of a financial hassle but with the size of these core units combined with how fragile they are, your fun probably is unfortunately going to be short lived.
But even if you don't use the griffon now you can save it up for when you move up to 2000pts and it has more of a role (because its such a great model)

Aside from that though, as long as you can protect your sword masters they should blend through most things that your opponent can throw at them. And you should have a lot of fun playing around with the fast cavalry rules for the Reavers, plus chariots are always fun.

Also if you can find the points have a play around with some of the magic items in both the High elf book and the new rule book. There is a lot of fun stuff in there, but you'll probably want to focus on more defensive stuff.

Lords go over the 25% maximum allowed for armies at 1500pts. If you want the girffon you'll have to get rid of the noble and the mage.



Lol and just because you have to models doesn't mean you HAVE to put them in your army :p

kastellan wrote:Lords go over the 25% maximum allowed for armies at 1500pts. If you want the girffon you'll have to get rid of the noble and the mage.



Lol and just because you have to models doesn't mean you HAVE to put them in your army :p

Wow! so your saying the prince and the mage as they come in the box set (plus the other models) are NOT a legal force?

No, you can still run the Prince on Griffon. At 1500 points, you're allowed to have 375 points worth of Lords and 375 points worth of Heroes.

At the moment, your Prince is about 370 points.

You should be ok in terms of the Mage and Noble as well.

Note: Minimum size for a unit of Reavers is 5.

Actually the Griffon Prince is legal in 1500pts, just. Barely.
You get 25pts to play with. So your probably not going to have the most durable lord. But you should probably swap the lance with a great weapon (I like me some great weapons for my elves) what with it being quite hard for a character on a monster to break a unit of infantry (unless your swordmasters get amongst the fight as well).

Pirate_joe_666 wrote:Actually the Griffon Prince is legal in 1500pts, just. Barely.
You get 25pts to play with. So your probably not going to have the most durable lord. But you should probably swap the lance with a great weapon (I like me some great weapons for my elves) what with it being quite hard for a character on a monster to break a unit of infantry (unless your swordmasters get amongst the fight as well).

Humm!

I'm a little confused as i'm looking in the Army book and it says you can't have a lord till the army is at 2000pts! or has this changed with the FAQ.

Also going back to that very issue, straight out of the box sounds like the high elves in the new boxed game are not a legal force. This right or am i miss understanding something!

Confusion levels running high! ha-ha

Yes it was, the entire army compositon page is overruled by the one given in the new BRB.
So claims the errata.

deejaybainbridge wrote:I'm a little confused as i'm looking in the Army book and it says you can't have a lord till the army is at 2000pts! or has this changed with the FAQ.

Also going back to that very issue, straight out of the box sounds like the high elves in the new boxed game are not a legal force. This right or am i miss understanding something!

Confusion levels running high! ha-ha

The newest edition of the core ruleset has eliminated those restrictions for Lord choices (GW's website has errata/FAQs available for download).

The boxset is around ~ 700 points, I believe, of models, and certainly not a legal force as is (too many points in Lords, not enough in Core). But, it is supposed to merely be an introduction to the game and it actually does provide a little bit of everything in the game (excepting chariots). You'll definitely have to pad up the Island of Blood force to make it legal elsewhere.

Jin wrote:

deejaybainbridge wrote:I'm a little confused as i'm looking in the Army book and it says you can't have a lord till the army is at 2000pts! or has this changed with the FAQ.

Also going back to that very issue, straight out of the box sounds like the high elves in the new boxed game are not a legal force. This right or am i miss understanding something!

Confusion levels running high! ha-ha

The newest edition of the core ruleset has eliminated those restrictions for Lord choices (GW's website has errata/FAQs available for download).

The boxset is around ~ 700 points, I believe, of models, and certainly not a legal force as is (too many points in Lords, not enough in Core). But, it is supposed to merely be an introduction to the game and it actually does provide a little bit of everything in the game (excepting chariots). You'll definitely have to pad up the Island of Blood force to make it legal elsewhere.

Coolio, so it's changed to the 25% lords 25% hero's etc, thats ok.

I best inform my swap partner that his skaven army will require a tweek or two!

I may well change the lance for a great weapon as i'm not keen on the lance as a model point of view.

Lol and just because you have to models doesn't mean you HAVE to put them in your army :p

Ah but if i leave them on the shelf i will haver to cough up more money for another unit! unless your surgesting dropping a unit and spending the points on magic items etc?

No its not 25% in both Lords and Heroes but combined.
So as said before in your current list you would have to kick out the mage and noble if you wanted to run a 1500pt army with a griffon.

And no I'm just saying, if you don't like the unit you dont have to use it lol. And if you have extra units it meants you can chop and change your list around depending on how your feeling during the day. But I think it is definitely worth looking at getting some magic items yes, also beefing up the units you do have.

Here is my current HE 1500pt army list, soo if this helps you out at all:

Prince
Dragonscale Shield
Great Weapon
War Lion
Heavy Armour

Mage
Level 2
Starwood Staff

20 Spearmen
Banner

20 Lothern Sea Guard
Banner

16 Sword Masters of Hoeth
Banner

16 Phoenix Guard
Banner

Repeater Bolt Thrower

The War Lion just uses pretty much the same rules of the Great Eagle tweeked a bit and instead of flying has fear. I only use it if my opponent lets me, if not i take bow of the seafarer instead.

kastellan wrote:No its not 25% in both Lords and Heroes but combined.

it is 25% lords and 25% heroes

Yea Kastellan your, wrong on the breakdown for army comp. It goes as follows:
Lord:Up to 25% of the pts total
Heroes: Same as the Lord
Core: Minimum of 25% of the pts total
Special: Up to 50% of pts total, only able to take up to 3 of the same special until 3000 pts.
Rare: Up to 25% of total pts, only allowed to take up to 2 of the same Rare until 3000 pts.

Now those restrictions (the duplicate rules) on rare and special do not apply for HE as they are an "elite" army and rely more so on those units. Although the pts cap is still in effect. HE are the only army with this rule.

Hope this helps you in your army bulding.

kastellan wrote:No its not 25% in both Lords and Heroes but combined.
So as said before in your current list you would have to kick out the mage and noble if you wanted to run a 1500pt army with a griffon.

Cheers for the army list, looks interesting, i will compare with my notes. Cash wise tho, thats gonna cost, HA-HA

Kharnflakes wrote:

kastellan wrote:No its not 25% in both Lords and Heroes but combined.

it is 25% lords and 25% heroes

Warboss Grimfang wrote:Yea Kastellan your, wrong on the breakdown for army comp. It goes as follows:
Lord:Up to 25% of the pts total
Heroes: Same as the Lord
Core: Minimum of 25% of the pts total
Special: Up to 50% of pts total, only able to take up to 3 of the same special until 3000 pts.
Rare: Up to 25% of total pts, only allowed to take up to 2 of the same Rare until 3000 pts.

Now those restrictions (the duplicate rules) on rare and special do not apply for HE as they are an "elite" army and rely more so on those units. Although the pts cap is still in effect. HE are the only army with this rule.

Hope this helps you in your army bulding.

Ha-Ha. So let me put this simply, is my army list above legal or not!

without knowing the actual pts i couldn't tell you. i play dark elves . but as long as your lords are 375 pts or less in total and your heroes are 375 pts or less in total then it would be .

Kharnflakes wrote:without knowing the actual pts i couldn't tell you. i play dark elves . but as long as your lords are 375 pts or less in total and your heroes are 375 pts or less in total then it would be .

Ha-Ha, yeah good point,

The griffon came out at 352pts and the noble 107 and the mage 100, so the lords are below 375 and the heros are below 375.

Phew!

I really did not know that, I've learnt something valuable today! Oh well, doesn't change my list lol.

I still think you need to flesh out those units of yours, they won't stand up to much punishment at all.

kastellan wrote:I really did not know that, I've learnt something valuable today! Oh well, doesn't change my list lol.

I still think you need to flesh out those units of yours, they won't stand up to much punishment at all.

Yeah i think that may be wise, as i said in the first post i've not played Fantasy yet, so I'm pretty clueless.

The griffon may have to go! due to the excessive points cost, but i could spread them out over some bigger units and some tasty items.

Throw the griffon in at 2000pts is proberley the wise option.

I agree whleheartedly with that. With 200 pts to spare you could make those units a bit more beefy. I also suggest that you scrap the archers and instead field 2 units of Lothern Sea Guard each with 20 troops in em.

And if you have any points left over buy some magic items and maybe even a couple more Swordmasters.

you may want to drop the prince all together and make the mage a level 4 the book of hoeth is a good item choice. maybe drop the spearmen and archers for a horde of seaguard . white lions are pretty good too. llike i said i play dark elves so this all comes from my experience playing against high elves. also the standard of balance may make a good addition.