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Of course we all know that if a unit shoots at and destroys or explodes a vehicle the shooting unit can then assault the disembarking occupants.

Here is a situation that came up and my friend has what I think is a strange argument.

My librarian blood lanced his land raider failing to destroy it. Another unit behind the land raider caused it to explode. My friend argues that the text governing this scenario says that only the unit that destroyed the vehicle can assault it and that the Librarian cannot assault the disembarked troops.

The rule says something along the lines of "If any shooting destroys the vehicle..." so I say even though the librarian shot the vehicle and failed to destroy it, other shooting did and my librarian can assault.

I lost my rule book so I don't recall what page this is on.

Thanks

The rule says:
"if a transport is destroyed (either result) by a ranged attack, the unit that shot it may assault the now disembarked passengers"
Only the unit that fired the destroying shot may assault.

Agreed. This comes up every so often and usually is because someone doesn't have an English Degree! :p

Only the unit that actually made the passengers disembark can assault the passengers.

Gwar! wrote:Agreed. This comes up every so often and usually is because someone doesn't have an English Degree! :p

Only the unit that actually made the passengers disembark can assault the passengers.

Or any unit that shoots at the Passengers after the transport is destroyed.

Or any unit that had not shot at all in the shooting phase.



What you should have said, Gwar, was that "The only unit who shot at the transport allowed to assault the passengers, is the unit who forced them to disembark."

Yes, I should have, but I assumed the context was enough to imply the other options! :p

In case anyone's hazy, the logic equivalent of this rule is the following:

1) A unit can only assault an enemy unit at which it just shot.

2) A unit that fired at a transport can only assault the transport.

3) If the transport has been destroyed, there is no transport to assault.

Ergo, the unit that just fired at the transport cannot assault the infantry (a seperate unit) previously within the transport, because the unit did not shoot at it.

However,

4) An explicit exception is made for the unit that forced the infantry inside the transport to disembark.

Ergo, the only unit that can assault the infantry previous within the transport is the unit that destroyed the transport.

Wait a damn second. Heres a scenario to ask my kweschun easier.

I have a 5 man termie squad standing 4 away from the transport. I then have a devastator squad with a lascannon 4 away.

Lascannon destroys transport, terminators DO NOT SHOOT.

A) can the devastators assault even thought they fired a heavy weapon
B) the termies should be able to assault because they didnt shoot anything, and theres a unit sitting in the open there, ready to be assaulted.

Aint that fair and legal?

Regardless of the situation, the Devs cannot assault after firing. You fired a heavy weapon. Only units with Relentless (or S&P, which grants Relentless) can assault after firing a heavy weapon.

The Terminators did not fire. They can assault anything they want within range, including the infantry that were previous embarked on the transport.

Combining the logic presented/omitted in this thread with the one presented/omitted in the thread concerning assaulting out of a Wrecked/Exploded vehicle is like dividing by zero.