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really? i dont have the New Armys book yeat, and dont know if i want to. for fear i might burn it... Wow man, is warhammer a MB game?

Well, in 40K I know pre-measuring is not allowed (execpt in the case of certain wargear and special rules)

I'm not sure in fantasy but I would assume it is the same. Also, it is a bit unsportsman like to see if you can shoot something before you declare the shot even if it is legal, which I assume it isn't.

Measure all the time?

This is pretty common in a lot of wargames.

Yes, this is true. You can measure distances for charges before declaring charges for example. War Machines are no longer guess range, and there are many other changes that remove the possibility for human error in judgement to measuring distances.

I know this goes against many of the old school ideals of what warhammer was, but the changes seem to be more about developing a plan as a general, following through with that plan, and seeing if it works rather than having your plan hinge upon guess work.

I'm not saying I am for or against the movement, as I haven't really had a chance to play 8th in any real sense yet (still building my new army) but the changes are there clear as day.

Lehnsherr is correct.

BRB, page 6, Measuring Distances, par.1 "You can always check the distance before you declare an action, such as charging or shooting."
BRB, page 16, Declare Charge, par. 4 "You're always allowed to mearsure the distance between the charger and the potential chargee before declaring a charge, as this might well affect your decision whether or not to declare a charge!"

I think it's kind of nice actually. It takes some of the guess work out and as Lehnsherr said, it's more about planning now.

Yeah I can never go back. Besides your still not guaranteed to get a charge even if you measure first, as the charge ranges are rolled randomly. Such as Movement value + 2D6 for infantry.

This was addressed in the BRB FAQ. Yes, you may measure at any time, for any reason.

Isn't it great - looking forward to seeing it in 40k

Mr Morden wrote:Isn't it great - looking forward to seeing it in 40k

I hope we don't see it in 40k, simply because everything has a fixed distance (not reliant on dice for charge distance in most cases).

Fantasy had fixed distances before the switch as well.

I don't care one way or another, but 40k would need a system overhaul like WHFB received. I don't really think 40k needs it, however.

40k already has enough variability in it, especially as setting up charges through terrain (and inducing terrain rolls) is not exactly difficult.

I'm VERY glad WHFB has finally grown up and realised that being able to see the world in 6" increments isnt a skill that's particularly necessary or valuable.

Measuring any time you want has become one of (if not THE) my favorite changes from previous editions.

Ppl used to measure beforehand anyway, they'd just be cheating or bending the rules. But they were doing it, that's for sure.

You used to have people:
Premeasure the length of their hand/finger/forearm and 'innocently' lay it on the table.
Measuring length/width of terrain before the game and using it as a reference to nearby units.
Measuring distances between terrain before the game and using that as a reference.
Counting distances moved from known starting postions, perhaps going as far as estimating angles to boot and calculating a triangulated position based on your estimations. (or, as I've even seen once, actually MEASURING the angle)
Estimating distances from the seams in those 2x2' boards GW wants us all to buy
etc.

Now those slap-worthy tactics are rendered advantageless, so people are getting slapped less at the table! (or the truly slapworthy are just doing OTHER things, but presumably at least not getting slapped anymore for cheat-measuring..)

I hope 40k doesnt get it. I would like them to stay away from a Fantasy and Sci-Fi version of the same game, and stay more to the two individual game systems that they are becoming. I play 40k when I want that style of game, and I play Fantasy when Im in that mood. I like things the way they are.

Well this edition of WHFB is more streamlined than before. I used to think of WHFB as the more strategic of the two, with you having to plan out where your big block was gonna be in like 2 turns. Now its far more watered down much like 40k. Not saying that is bad. Now 40k seems more strategic with having to estimate distances and such.

Yup. You can measure whenever you like.

I like this change because, as has been said, its more about planning and tactics now as opposed to a guess or two. There's still some luck involved though, for example when declaring a charge instead of putting your faith in your guess work (as you knew how far your unit could charge but not how far the enemy unit was away) but you're now putting your faith in the dice (as you know how far you need to charge but it's up to you whether you have a good chance of rolling the needed amount).

Synnister wrote:Well this edition of WHFB is more streamlined than before. I used to think of WHFB as the more strategic of the two, with you having to plan out where your big block was gonna be in like 2 turns. Now its far more watered down much like 40k. Not saying that is bad. Now 40k seems more strategic with having to estimate distances and such.

You STILL have to do this, as your movement is not nearly as free as 40k - you are still penalised for going backwards!

It is certainly not watered down, nor is it anything like 40k. Even skimirshers, which in 7th operated exactly as 40k, now have proper flanks and rears.