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Well.. I've been trying to redesign a list I was unhappy with.

I struggled to find my play style with Marines and I'm thinking I can fix it with a minimum of changes.

My goal is to push to the middle and claim the middle ground and any objectives there. This will require speed to get there and force to push anyone who is there off.

I figure if I can control the flow in the middle of the battlefield then I can subsequently push forward to the enemy's backfield.

Here's a list of stuff I took out:

Ironclad with drop pod
Dreadnought with drop pod
5 man sometimes 10 man sternguard squad with rhino and combi-meltas.
Cato Sicarius

Stuff I added:

Librarian - right now in TDA with Stormshield and an Epistolary.
5 Assault Terminators
a Land Raider Crusader - subject to change
3 Land Speeder Tornados

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I'll post the list and then my questions about it.
The list in it's current iteration is such:

[HQ]

Librarian; Terminator Armor w/ Stormshield, Epistolary

[TROOPS]

10x Tactical Squad; Meltagun, Lascannon
Sergeant; Chainsword
Rhino

10x Tactical Squad; Meltagun, Missile Launcher
Sergeant; Chainsword
Rhino

10x Tactical Squad; Meltagun, Missile Launcher
Sergeant; Chainsword
Rhino

[ELITES]

5x Assault Terminators; 4x TH/SS, 1x TL Lightning Claws
Land Raider Crusader; Extra Armor, Multi-Melta

[HEAVY SUPPORT]

Vindicator; Siege Shield

Vindicator; Siege Shield

Vindicator; Siege Shield

[FAST ATTACK]

3x Land Speeder Tornado; 3x Multi-Melta, 3x Heavy Bolter

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This list comes to 1890. Exactly 40 points over. The logical thing to do would be drop the TDA on the Librarian, but I plan on running him with the Termies, so I don't know that I want to.. the other option is to drop Epistolary and limit him to one power a turn.

If I do that then I have 10 more points to play with, I'm sure I can spend them on something.. even if it's just melta bombs.

I'm unsure of the Land Raider Crusader, but it is looking pretty strong...

There is a lot of armor in this list.

1x AV14
3x AV13
3x Rhinos
3x Land Speeders



Thoughts? Comments?

Drop the TDA, he doesn't need it. The list has some weaknesses, but 3 Vindis and a Crusader are hard to stop. The tornadoes are good for harrassment. You have a good stock of troops. I would add a flamer or two instead of a melta. I would consider dropping a tornado to add another termie or two.

What are the weaknesses as you see them, or just what you described above?

Anything? from anyone?

So I have a new dilemma. I took off the Librarian TDA, and I changed the Land Raider Crusader to a Redeemer... but now I actually have 10 points left over!

I thought about dropping the lascannon from one squad, which leaves me with 20 points, and I thought about dropping the Extra armor from the Redeemer which leaves me with 35 points, but I cannot seem to hit magical 40 to get TDA with Stormshield back for my Libby..

Alternatively I don't know what to do with 10 to 35 points depending on what I keep or drop.

Here's the new list:

[HQ]

Librarian; w/ Epistolary

[TROOPS]

10x Tactical Squad; Meltagun, Lascannon
Sergeant; Chainsword
Rhino

10x Tactical Squad; Meltagun, Missile Launcher
Sergeant; Chainsword
Rhino

10x Tactical Squad; Meltagun, Missile Launcher
Sergeant; Chainsword
Rhino

[ELITES]

5x Assault Terminators; 3x TH/SS, 2x TL Lightning Claws
Land Raider Redeemer; Extra Armor, Multi-Melta

[HEAVY SUPPORT]

Vindicator; Siege Shield

Vindicator; Siege Shield

Vindicator; Siege Shield

[FAST ATTACK]

Land Speeder Tornado; Multi-Melta, Heavy Flamer

Land Speeder Tornado; Multi-Melta, Heavy Flamer

Land Speeder Tornado; Multi-Melta, Heavy Flamer

Total: 1840